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That's one weird exchange. It seems that the Russian soldiers weren't expecting the car to be armed. There are also videos where cars are moving past Russian ta

That's one weird exchange. It seems that the Russian soldiers weren't expecting the car to be armed. There are also videos where cars are moving past Russian tanks without any confrontation.

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dogma1138 5y ago
It’s probably about the same experience as US troops would have if they were ordered to invade Canada. Also they were probably told not to treat the local population as hostile and even if they weren’t it’s usually not the default disposition of people soldiers or not. These guys have no fucking idea where they are or where they are headed or what their mission actually is and they probably can’t even call anyone up the chain of command to get new orders and they don’t seem to even want to do that.
- w7 5y ago
  There are videos on Twitter of Russian forces seemingly ambushing unarmed civilians who are just driving from point A to B and then using their vehicles as road blocks. Seems like it really depends on what men are behind the guns. Such is war I guess.
  - dogma1138 5y ago
    Many of the videos that you see such as the infamous one where you see a group of armed men pull out the occupants from a car are from 2014 and it isn’t soldiers but militia and it’s unclear which side it even was. It also is very much dependent on the situation these soldiers are stranded and under no threat. If they were mounting a checkpoint which was coming under attack they probably would treat incoming vehicles very differently.
    - w7 5y ago
      No I'm talking about very graphic ones involving dead bodies that clearly tried to crawl away and vehicles riddled with bullets. You're correct though, the fog of war is thick, and it's hard to tell for certain. I hate to use reddit as a source, but here is a group of civilians encountering a roadblock, being shot at, and then managing to escape. This video is not as graphic as the others. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t1605y/people_getting_shot_by_russians_while_driving/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t1605y/people_gett... Although I can't say for certain if this recent, but it seems to fit. If someone could for certain debunk this, I'm all ears, but this same location (red truck and cars blocking road) shows up later in other twitter videos with a destroyed Ukrainian convoy and dead civilians.
  - IgorPartola 5y ago
    Why would Russians be setting up roadblocks?
    - retrac 5y ago
      To hinder the movement of Ukrainian forces, I would assume.
      - IgorPartola 5y ago
        Ukrainian forces are taking up defensive positions. It’s the Russians that need to stay on the move. Ukrainian forces are currently blocking roads and blowing up bridges. Russians need to establish supply lines.
        w7 5y ago
        Being defensive and needing to move are not mutually exclusive.
        IgorPartola 5y ago
        I can’t put my finger on it but it seems to me that this is not your domain of expertise.
        w7 5y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR8BVr_B338 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR8BVr_B338 Does this abandoned convoy blocked by jack-knived trucks not have Ukrainian "golden block"[0] camo on some vehicles? Could be stolen I guess? None of the typical glyphs of Russian forces though, unless I missed them while scanning the video. Mind you the passengers speculate some of it is Russian gear. I'm just saying it's possible they were attempting some sort of retreat. This is the same road where civilians were being fired upon. I don't think Ukrainian forces would be shooting at civilians on blocked roads if they had blocked them in this instance. 0. https://img.112.international/original/2019/02/27/280961.jpg https://img.112.international/original/2019/02/27/280961.jpg
- ochoseis 5y ago
  I believe the relationship between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland provides a better comparison than the US and Canada. While we share strong cultural ties and a border, Canada is not a former subject of the US (despite our best attempts in 1812). These days the UK and Ireland mostly peacefully co-exist, and you can imagine how outrageous it would seem if UK soldiers started marching south from Northern Ireland because the Republic of Ireland refused to align geopolitically or promoted the Irish language.

That's one weird exchange. It seems that the Russian soldiers weren't expecting the car to be armed. There are also videos where cars are moving past Russian tanks without any confrontation.

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dogma1138 5y ago

It’s probably about the same experience as US troops would have if they were ordered to invade Canada. Also they were probably told not to treat the local population as hostile and even if they weren’t it’s usually not the default disposition of people soldiers or not. These guys have no fucking idea where they are or where they are headed or what their mission actually is and they probably can’t even call anyone up the chain of command to get new orders and they don’t seem to even want to do that.

w7 5y ago
There are videos on Twitter of Russian forces seemingly ambushing unarmed civilians who are just driving from point A to B and then using their vehicles as road blocks. Seems like it really depends on what men are behind the guns. Such is war I guess.
- dogma1138 5y ago
  Many of the videos that you see such as the infamous one where you see a group of armed men pull out the occupants from a car are from 2014 and it isn’t soldiers but militia and it’s unclear which side it even was. It also is very much dependent on the situation these soldiers are stranded and under no threat. If they were mounting a checkpoint which was coming under attack they probably would treat incoming vehicles very differently.
  - w7 5y ago
    No I'm talking about very graphic ones involving dead bodies that clearly tried to crawl away and vehicles riddled with bullets. You're correct though, the fog of war is thick, and it's hard to tell for certain. I hate to use reddit as a source, but here is a group of civilians encountering a roadblock, being shot at, and then managing to escape. This video is not as graphic as the others. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t1605y/people_getting_shot_by_russians_while_driving/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t1605y/people_gett... Although I can't say for certain if this recent, but it seems to fit. If someone could for certain debunk this, I'm all ears, but this same location (red truck and cars blocking road) shows up later in other twitter videos with a destroyed Ukrainian convoy and dead civilians.
- IgorPartola 5y ago
  Why would Russians be setting up roadblocks?
  - retrac 5y ago
    To hinder the movement of Ukrainian forces, I would assume.
    - IgorPartola 5y ago
      Ukrainian forces are taking up defensive positions. It’s the Russians that need to stay on the move. Ukrainian forces are currently blocking roads and blowing up bridges. Russians need to establish supply lines.
      - w7 5y ago
        Being defensive and needing to move are not mutually exclusive.
        IgorPartola 5y ago
        I can’t put my finger on it but it seems to me that this is not your domain of expertise.
        w7 5y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR8BVr_B338 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR8BVr_B338 Does this abandoned convoy blocked by jack-knived trucks not have Ukrainian "golden block"[0] camo on some vehicles? Could be stolen I guess? None of the typical glyphs of Russian forces though, unless I missed them while scanning the video. Mind you the passengers speculate some of it is Russian gear. I'm just saying it's possible they were attempting some sort of retreat. This is the same road where civilians were being fired upon. I don't think Ukrainian forces would be shooting at civilians on blocked roads if they had blocked them in this instance. 0. https://img.112.international/original/2019/02/27/280961.jpg https://img.112.international/original/2019/02/27/280961.jpg
ochoseis 5y ago
I believe the relationship between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland provides a better comparison than the US and Canada. While we share strong cultural ties and a border, Canada is not a former subject of the US (despite our best attempts in 1812). These days the UK and Ireland mostly peacefully co-exist, and you can imagine how outrageous it would seem if UK soldiers started marching south from Northern Ireland because the Republic of Ireland refused to align geopolitically or promoted the Irish language.