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With Activation of NATO Response Force, U.S. Military Ready to Provide Forces
- argella 5y agoStarting to feel like this is going to spiral into something horrific.
- heyitsguay 5y agoNo guarantees yet that it won't, but this article isn't about any escalation. This is just details about providing US forces for the NATO response force, in NATO countries around Ukraine.
- nopenopenopeno 5y agoGiven the circumstances, this is the definition of escalation. Obviously they will have Putin fire all first shots. If there’s anything NATO is best at, it’s evading responsibility.
- QuarterReptile 5y agoWould you care to explain?
- ilove196884 5y agoOf course he cannot explain. A two month old account only talking about the said conflict . You know what that means.
- nopenopenopeno 5y agoI’m not sure what you want explained, but you’ll probably find it in this very straightforward talk by John Mearsheimer on this very conflict. https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nbj1AR_aAcE https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nbj1AR_aAcE
- jacquesm 5y agoThey asked you to explain your comment, not to dump some 'do your own homework' video.
- empressplay 5y agoThis is just shoring things up so Putin doesn't get any ideas of marching further west.
- torstenvl 5y agoSomething horrific is already happening. An ethnofascist dictatorship has invaded a liberal democracy. End of. The only thing more horrific will be if the world lets them get away with it with impunity.
- rayiner 5y ago“Ethnofascist dictatorship” and “liberal democracy”! This is more like if Pakistan invaded Bangladesh to get it back. Wars where very similar people who speak slightly different languages fight over whether they should be two countries or one country are a dime a dozen. One country being a democracy for all of five minutes doesn’t change that math.
- torstenvl 5y agoIronic, from an English-speaking American, and a lawyer at that. I would think someone familiar with our founding would recognize that, yes, a free people has a right not to be subjugated to a major power just because they speak a similar language. Also, "get it back"? Kievan Rus predates Muscovite Rus by over half a millenium. If you would like a beginner's primer on the history of ethnic and cultural ties and conflicts involved, I recommend Suzanne Massie's Land of the Firebird.
- rayiner 5y agoI’m from Bangladesh. While I believe our independence war was absolutely a good thing, it absolutely wasn’t the west’s business. “Everybody who wants one gets their own country” isn’t a workable approach. (Of course the US did intervene in the Bangladesh-Pakistan war, on the wrong side: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/us-forces-had-orders-to-target-indian-army-in-1971/articleshow/10625404.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/us-forces-had-orde.... But even if it had supported Bangladesh, at the end of the day it wasn’t any of its business or risking the life of American soldiers.)
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- walrus01 5y agoThis is either going to end with a successful Russian takeover in permanent occupation of ukraine, or Putin will end up like Ceacescu or Mussolini.
- jacquesm 5y agoThere are many other possible outcomes.
- jacquesm 5y agoDepending on where you live it can already be horrific.
- ayngg 5y agoIf everyone involved oversaw the escalation to where it is now, they certainly have it in them to escalate it much further.
- nopenopenopeno 5y agoHN is a polite platform so I will just leave if up to others to imagine the string of curse words running through my head right now. This is so bad. And worst of all, it was so predictable.
- rayiner 5y agoIt’s goddamn stupid. The better example is World War I, not World War II. We’re being dragged into a war over a intra-Slavic dispute that has nothing to do with the rest of us.
- nopenopenopeno 5y agoYes, there is a pointed reason for the Western elite to compare every foreign affair (and even domestic affairs nowadays) to WW2. It was “the good war” and if every other war is just like it then adventurism is justified.
- landemva 5y agoUSA can leave NATO.
- QuarterReptile 5y agoSo, what should Ukrainians do if they want to live in a society not controlled by Putin? Do they just have to leave? Do they need to get enough non-Slavic residents to immigrate so your racist policy no longer applies? It's reprehensible that the West is standing by while a fellow Western country is overrun. We're so scared of some hardship (or convinced that only Anericans have the mental stability to not shoot nukes) that we're allowing Ukraine to be demolished by Russia while we have the equipment to stop the whole thing in its tracks, just standing by all around Europe.
- marcusverus 5y ago> So, what should Ukrainians do if they want to live in a society not controlled by Putin? Fight like hell? The Afghans have fought off two world powers in the last century. The Ukrainians can do the same (with plenty of low-key, low-risk support). > It's reprehensible that the West is standing by while a fellow Western country is overrun. We're so scared of some hardship (or convinced that only Anericans have the mental stability to not shoot nukes) that we're allowing Ukraine to be demolished by Russia while we have the equipment to stop the whole thing in its tracks, just standing by all around Europe. It is not reasonable to expect the NATO members to risk nuclear annihilation to actively defend Ukraine.
- pinephoneguy 5y agoIf I'm going to be honest I'd fight DC before I fought Moscow.
- nopenopenopeno 5y agoWhere do I sign up?
- pinephoneguy 5y agoMake a book club with your close friends. Read solzhenitsyn.
- nopenopenopeno 5y agoGood call. I was expecting a reference to Lenin’s revolutionary defeatism, which was ironically the strategic precedent behind his signing the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk with Germany that defined the modern day borders of Ukraine. > ”Arguing that the proletariat could not win or gain in a capitalist war, Lenin declared its true enemy is the imperialist leaders who sent their lower classes into battle.” https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_defeatism https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_defeatism
- landemva 5y agoSimply stop working so the beast starves. Enjoy the permanent vacation lifestyle.
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- hacym 5y agoThat’s a weird sentiment. Are you an American? Imagine if Ukrainians said that right now.
- pinephoneguy 5y ago>Are you American Yes, in fact I work for the US Government. >Imagine if Ukrainians said that right now. I was just talking to one that said that.
- 4khilles 5y ago> While President Biden has said U.S. troops will not enter Ukraine to participate directly in the fight against Russia, U.S. forces may eventually be called upon to participate in NATO-led missions as part of the NATO Response Force to bolster the defense of alliance partner nations should they ask for assistance. Am I missing something? I was expecting something far more drastic from reading the other comments.
- nopenopenopeno 5y agoIt’s a press release. It’s intentionally written in such a way that various audiences can glean what they want to from it. Reading between the lines is hardly even necessary here. War escalation is an art form. This notice reveals without a doubt that Biden is willing to deploy U.S. troops to Ukraine. If recent history can tell us anything, this means U.S. troops will be deployed to Ukraine. Regardless of whatever guise they use to entertain domestic confidence, U.S. troops will be deployed to Ukraine.
- zardo 5y agoGoing past statements about "no boots on the ground", US special forces must wear heavy duty shoes instead of boots.
- landemva 5y agoBiden withdrew the last of USA troops from Ukraine a couple weeks ago. That was the green light for Russia to move in. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/12/us-withdraws-nearly-all-remaining-soldiers-from-ukraine-a76359 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/12/us-withdraws-nearl... After being in Ukraine for seven years, the USA withdraw was touted as, "This repositioning does not signify a change in our determination to support Ukraine's Armed Forces, but will provide flexibility in assuring allies and deterring aggression," Kirby said.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoHow short are peoples memories theses days? Just a month ago Biden was literally telling the world that Russia would likely invade and it was front page news. Now people act like it is a shock and conspiracy theory. January 19th, >Biden said a full-scale invasion would be “the most consequential thing that’s happened in the world in terms of war and peace since World War Two”, with the risk of spilling outside Ukraine’s borders, and “could get out of hand”. He said that Russia would prevail militarily in an invasion but would suffer heavy casualties. “This is not all just a cakewalk for Russia militarily,” he said, noting the military aid the US has provided recently. “They’ll pay a stiff price, immediately, short-term, medium-term and long-term if they do it.” This is the same day Russia gave its last and final request for US assurance that it would vote no to Ukrainian NATO membership. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/19/russia-could-act-against-ukraine-at-any-moment-says-us https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/19/russia-could-a...