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I appreciate your perspective. Yet, the west is playing the same game that Putin is - what line is too far to cross? The west has already armed and continues to

I appreciate your perspective. Yet, the west is playing the same game that Putin is - what line is too far to cross? The west has already armed and continues to supply Ukraine, which is probably part of the reason Putin's assault is struggling. I'm sure the west is also supplying satellite and other intelligence to Kyiv. So the "intervene and I nuke you" line has already been crossed, depending on your definition of "intervene". AFAICT nobody is suggesting putting troops on the ground in Russia. Nobody in the west has any desire to conquer Russian territory. There's a big spectrum between "stand back and watch" and "march troops to Moscow". Obviously "supply Ukraine" is already in progress. "Bomb Russian logistics convoys in Ukraine" could be too. Hell, the west doesn't even have to admit it. "We have no idea why your tanks are flaming wrecks, maybe their car warranty has expired?"

quattrofan 5y ago
samstave 5y ago
What I am super intrigued to know ; What is the state of Cyber Warfare (True State) that is occurring? Will there be any major infra attacks? On who, by whom? The anon thing is cool and all - but many suspect that is intelligence agencies masquerading, but who knows about that.. I just hope this thing cools down and fast...
- stickfigure 5y ago
  I'll go out on a limb and call that cyberattacks prove to have zero benefit other than emotional catharsis. They will have no effect in the outcome of this war.
  - ninkendo 5y ago
    https://xkcd.com/932/ https://xkcd.com/932/
cozzyd 5y ago
With drones, it's hard to know who's even doing the flying...
lazide 5y ago
The way a lot of the western news is tilted, the ‘madman with nukes’ line is pretty clear. If Russia hits a nuclear waste storage depot (oops, already happened), or hints at using nukes (well, moving them to Belarus, that already happened) - when does it seem to make sense to ‘intervene’ by marching troops to Moscow? Many folks on the internet clearly already are. It’s easy for that to get way out of control, very very quickly.
- stickfigure 5y ago
  > It’s easy for that to get way out of control, very very quickly. I generally agree, but there are emotional limits to this kind of thing. Americans have historically been very willing to commit airplanes and bombs to righteous causes, but marching to Moscow would be a very different matter. I assume the same thing is happening with Russia's conscripts: "Why the fuck are we doing this?"
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > I assume the same thing is happening with Russia's conscripts: "Why the fuck are we doing this?" Russia has switched in the last 10 years (20?), to a large extent, from a conscript to a volunteer and mercenary force.
lazide 5y ago
Also, 100% agree they definitely are playing a similar game - but one is doing it via social influence, the other via active military invasion and an ‘unsolicited’ one at that. Not that the US (with occasional other Allies) hasn’t done similar, they just aren’t in this case.

quattrofan 5y ago

samstave 5y ago

What I am super intrigued to know ; What is the state of Cyber Warfare (True State) that is occurring? Will there be any major infra attacks? On who, by whom? The anon thing is cool and all - but many suspect that is intelligence agencies masquerading, but who knows about that.. I just hope this thing cools down and fast...

stickfigure 5y ago
I'll go out on a limb and call that cyberattacks prove to have zero benefit other than emotional catharsis. They will have no effect in the outcome of this war.
- ninkendo 5y ago
  https://xkcd.com/932/ https://xkcd.com/932/

cozzyd 5y ago

With drones, it's hard to know who's even doing the flying...

lazide 5y ago

The way a lot of the western news is tilted, the ‘madman with nukes’ line is pretty clear. If Russia hits a nuclear waste storage depot (oops, already happened), or hints at using nukes (well, moving them to Belarus, that already happened) - when does it seem to make sense to ‘intervene’ by marching troops to Moscow? Many folks on the internet clearly already are. It’s easy for that to get way out of control, very very quickly.

stickfigure 5y ago
> It’s easy for that to get way out of control, very very quickly. I generally agree, but there are emotional limits to this kind of thing. Americans have historically been very willing to commit airplanes and bombs to righteous causes, but marching to Moscow would be a very different matter. I assume the same thing is happening with Russia's conscripts: "Why the fuck are we doing this?"
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > I assume the same thing is happening with Russia's conscripts: "Why the fuck are we doing this?" Russia has switched in the last 10 years (20?), to a large extent, from a conscript to a volunteer and mercenary force.

lazide 5y ago

Also, 100% agree they definitely are playing a similar game - but one is doing it via social influence, the other via active military invasion and an ‘unsolicited’ one at that. Not that the US (with occasional other Allies) hasn’t done similar, they just aren’t in this case.