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Which they are entitled to — but effectively their alternative here would be retaliating against half the world. Which in a non-military way is effectively what

Which they are entitled to — but effectively their alternative here would be retaliating against half the world. Which in a non-military way is effectively what the world wants, as it will hurt Russia just a bit more than everyone else on their own. And if they wage war on half the world, good luck to them.

toyg 5y ago
Good luck to all of us.
nxmnxm99 5y ago
- pcwalton 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#/media/File:International_reactions_to_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukrai... The blue area is not limited to Europe and the US.
- aprdm 5y ago
  Kenya made a speech against Russia, I wouldn’t say África doesn’t care. So did Lebanese government which is in Asia. I would say the world is certainly watching and people in general don’t like war
  - nxmnxm99 5y ago
    Wow, a diplomat from Kenya made a speech therefore all of Africa cares. And they say Americans think the universe revolves around their orbit.
- FredPret 5y ago
  > increasingly/rapidly less geopolitically formidable From utterly dominant economically and militarily to still being pretty much utterly dominant. Some decline.
  - nxmnxm99 5y ago
    Among the 10 largest economies in 2050, the US will be the only Western one. "Pretty much utterly dominant" is laughably ignorant.
    - pcwalton 5y ago
      Here's the first Google result for [10 largest economies in 2050]: https://www.theceomagazine.com/business/competition/pwc-world-2050/ https://www.theceomagazine.com/business/competition/pwc-worl... We have (1) China; (2) India; (3) US; (4) Indonesia; (5) Brazil; (6) Russia; (7) Mexico; (8) Japan; (9) Germany; (10) UK. Leaving aside how likely it is that Russia will be #6 at this rate (not particularly likely), the US, Germany, and the UK are all undeniably part of the West. Brazil and Japan are allies of the US [1]. The US has friendly relations with India, Indonesia, and Mexico. So this claim seems untrue. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally
      - nxmnxm99 5y ago
        1. Russia's economic growth has mirrored Germany, UK and has surpassed Brazil for nearly 2 decades despite a constant barrage of sanctions. But sure, Russia is the one who will flop 2. Brazil and Japan being allies do not make them Western states, much less NATO states. Saudi Arabia is technically an ally as well. India, our "ally", isn't denouncing Russia and has extreme anti-liberal Hindu nationalist political forces running the country. You think Brazil will go to war against China supporting the US? That's delusional. 3. Even according to this particular report, the US is the only Western/NATO country in the top 9 The fact you think this comment somehow disputed me is a joke. Western Europe/America's dominance over the last several hundred years has come to an end. The balance of power in the world has shifted back to the East. People on this comment thread are like Brits in the 30s - not the slightest clue the world they grew up in doesn't exist anymore. Americans aren't ready for a world which China (and subsequently, it's allies, like Russia, Iran, etc.) dominates.
        pcwalton 5y ago
- foogazi 5y ago
  > It's only Europe and the US. South America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East don't really care and aren't going to "#PrayForUkraine". Even the Taliban made calls to stop the military aggression https://qz.com/2133634/the-taliban-is-calling-for-peace-in-ukraine/ https://qz.com/2133634/the-taliban-is-calling-for-peace-in-u...
  - Sebb767 5y ago
    The Taliban were the response to a Russian invasion, so this hardly surprising.
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- foxfluff 5y ago
  UNSC vote from last night: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Security_Council_Resolution_on_Russia%E2%80%99s_Aggression_Toward_Ukraine.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Security_Council_Resol... Half the world seems about right, and I'd assume a fair proportion of the grey would be green too if they were participants.
  - nxmnxm99 5y ago
    That's half the world? Asia alone is almost entirely either anti or apathetic towards NATO and Western sanctimonious BS, and that's 60% of the world's population. Baffling you'd assume Africans, who unilaterally despise American and Western colonialism and primarily align with China, would also be on your side. The fact Americans continue to assume this some great battle between Good vs. Evil is absurd. Russia is fighting for what America took from them - and winning. NATO invaded multiple Middle Eastern countries for nearly 2 decades for oil. Americans thinking they're the good guys in any way is a joke.
    - jamiek88 5y ago
      So, apart from all the examples you are dismissing your point stands! What an innovative way to argue! There’s no examples of people caring apart from all those examples that were posted!
    - joshuamorton 5y ago
      > Baffling you'd assume Africans, who unilaterally despise American and Western colonialism and primarily align with China, would also be on your side. Yes, but this doesn't mean that they'd therefore side with Russia attempting to reinstate a colonialist empire. That really, really doesn't make sense (and indeed, everything coming from Africa has been condemnation of Russia's invasion). And keep in mind that China seems to not really be a fan of Russia's aggression here, while they really dislike NATO, they seem to be signaling that they didn't expect an invasion of the scale that happened, and would have preferred less. I mean China is participating, to a limited extent, in sanctions against Russia.
    - pcwalton 5y ago

toyg 5y ago

Good luck to all of us.

nxmnxm99 5y ago

pcwalton 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#/media/File:International_reactions_to_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukrai... The blue area is not limited to Europe and the US.
aprdm 5y ago
Kenya made a speech against Russia, I wouldn’t say África doesn’t care. So did Lebanese government which is in Asia. I would say the world is certainly watching and people in general don’t like war
- nxmnxm99 5y ago
  Wow, a diplomat from Kenya made a speech therefore all of Africa cares. And they say Americans think the universe revolves around their orbit.
FredPret 5y ago
> increasingly/rapidly less geopolitically formidable From utterly dominant economically and militarily to still being pretty much utterly dominant. Some decline.
- nxmnxm99 5y ago
  Among the 10 largest economies in 2050, the US will be the only Western one. "Pretty much utterly dominant" is laughably ignorant.
  - pcwalton 5y ago
    Here's the first Google result for [10 largest economies in 2050]: https://www.theceomagazine.com/business/competition/pwc-world-2050/ https://www.theceomagazine.com/business/competition/pwc-worl... We have (1) China; (2) India; (3) US; (4) Indonesia; (5) Brazil; (6) Russia; (7) Mexico; (8) Japan; (9) Germany; (10) UK. Leaving aside how likely it is that Russia will be #6 at this rate (not particularly likely), the US, Germany, and the UK are all undeniably part of the West. Brazil and Japan are allies of the US [1]. The US has friendly relations with India, Indonesia, and Mexico. So this claim seems untrue. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally
    - nxmnxm99 5y ago
      1. Russia's economic growth has mirrored Germany, UK and has surpassed Brazil for nearly 2 decades despite a constant barrage of sanctions. But sure, Russia is the one who will flop 2. Brazil and Japan being allies do not make them Western states, much less NATO states. Saudi Arabia is technically an ally as well. India, our "ally", isn't denouncing Russia and has extreme anti-liberal Hindu nationalist political forces running the country. You think Brazil will go to war against China supporting the US? That's delusional. 3. Even according to this particular report, the US is the only Western/NATO country in the top 9 The fact you think this comment somehow disputed me is a joke. Western Europe/America's dominance over the last several hundred years has come to an end. The balance of power in the world has shifted back to the East. People on this comment thread are like Brits in the 30s - not the slightest clue the world they grew up in doesn't exist anymore. Americans aren't ready for a world which China (and subsequently, it's allies, like Russia, Iran, etc.) dominates.
      - pcwalton 5y ago
foogazi 5y ago
> It's only Europe and the US. South America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East don't really care and aren't going to "#PrayForUkraine". Even the Taliban made calls to stop the military aggression https://qz.com/2133634/the-taliban-is-calling-for-peace-in-ukraine/ https://qz.com/2133634/the-taliban-is-calling-for-peace-in-u...
- Sebb767 5y ago
  The Taliban were the response to a Russian invasion, so this hardly surprising.
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foxfluff 5y ago
UNSC vote from last night: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Security_Council_Resolution_on_Russia%E2%80%99s_Aggression_Toward_Ukraine.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Security_Council_Resol... Half the world seems about right, and I'd assume a fair proportion of the grey would be green too if they were participants.
- nxmnxm99 5y ago
  That's half the world? Asia alone is almost entirely either anti or apathetic towards NATO and Western sanctimonious BS, and that's 60% of the world's population. Baffling you'd assume Africans, who unilaterally despise American and Western colonialism and primarily align with China, would also be on your side. The fact Americans continue to assume this some great battle between Good vs. Evil is absurd. Russia is fighting for what America took from them - and winning. NATO invaded multiple Middle Eastern countries for nearly 2 decades for oil. Americans thinking they're the good guys in any way is a joke.
  - jamiek88 5y ago
    So, apart from all the examples you are dismissing your point stands! What an innovative way to argue! There’s no examples of people caring apart from all those examples that were posted!
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    > Baffling you'd assume Africans, who unilaterally despise American and Western colonialism and primarily align with China, would also be on your side. Yes, but this doesn't mean that they'd therefore side with Russia attempting to reinstate a colonialist empire. That really, really doesn't make sense (and indeed, everything coming from Africa has been condemnation of Russia's invasion). And keep in mind that China seems to not really be a fan of Russia's aggression here, while they really dislike NATO, they seem to be signaling that they didn't expect an invasion of the scale that happened, and would have preferred less. I mean China is participating, to a limited extent, in sanctions against Russia.
  - pcwalton 5y ago