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Wouldn't they just target the building with a cruise middle these days?

belter 5y ago
Those cost a million dollars a piece. Russians have serious logistical problems now. There are Twitter videos of some of their tank crews stuck on Ukrainian roads without fuel and being taunted and asked if they want for a ride back to Russia by Ukrainian passers by. https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537193346220038 https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537193346220038
- bambataa 5y ago
  That tweet has been shared a lot but is there any indication that any of it is true? And even if it is, doesn’t that just mean Russia will move from the quick strike strategy to a more bloody, full assault?
  - belter 5y ago
    They are having to supply fuel, food and ammunition to 200,000 men over a 500 Km distance in hostile territory. You would need a fantastic logistical operation to be able to support that even in your own country. "Ukrainian citizen confronts Russian soldiers after tank runs out of fuel" https://youtu.be/14gVDF2b1vA https://youtu.be/14gVDF2b1vA
    - glogla 5y ago
      This is incredibly baffling. How can a tank "get lost and run out of fuel"? The tanks don't have GPS or even a map? They don't have radio connection to some kind of command that know where its tanks are? Like ... how? I don't even know. This seems like a plausible deniability for desertion or something. "We ran out of fuel, oh well, nothing we can do." Not that I'm complaining, I'd rather get lost and captured than fight for Putin either.
      - bambataa 5y ago
        This is why I am confused. It just seems so absurdly incompetent that I can’t quite believe it is all true. I realise that stupid things happen during war, but it’s only a few days in and surely this is the kind of thing they train and plan for.
- int_19h 5y ago
  These cost a million dollars a piece to Americans. I'm not sure how much Russia pays for each Caliber cruise missile, but the (short-range ballistic rather than cruise) Tochka-U is somewhere around $150k. Also, for what it's worth, Russia used 26 Caliber missiles on a single day in Syria back in 2015.
  - newsclues 5y ago
    Russia doesn’t have the same stockpiles of Precision Guided Munitions, they don’t have the same infantry level access to NVGs, they have some high speed high tech gear, but limited amounts compared to Americans.
    - int_19h 5y ago
      Compared to Americans, sure. But they're fighting Ukrainians, not Americans.
      - newsclues 5y ago
        Stockpiles of munitions are vital, you can’t simply expend infinite numbers, they take time to resupply. At times even American troops were supply constrained on certain missiles. The point is, Russia has to be selective, especially since Ukrainian AD is still active.
        int_19h 5y ago
        Absolutely. But then again, how many Pavlov's houses do you get during a war? It's known by name precisely because it was such an extreme case.

Those cost a million dollars a piece. Russians have serious logistical problems now. There are Twitter videos of some of their tank crews stuck on Ukrainian roads without fuel and being taunted and asked if they want for a ride back to Russia by Ukrainian passers by. https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537193346220038 https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537193346220038

bambataa 5y ago
That tweet has been shared a lot but is there any indication that any of it is true? And even if it is, doesn’t that just mean Russia will move from the quick strike strategy to a more bloody, full assault?
- belter 5y ago
  They are having to supply fuel, food and ammunition to 200,000 men over a 500 Km distance in hostile territory. You would need a fantastic logistical operation to be able to support that even in your own country. "Ukrainian citizen confronts Russian soldiers after tank runs out of fuel" https://youtu.be/14gVDF2b1vA https://youtu.be/14gVDF2b1vA
  - glogla 5y ago
    This is incredibly baffling. How can a tank "get lost and run out of fuel"? The tanks don't have GPS or even a map? They don't have radio connection to some kind of command that know where its tanks are? Like ... how? I don't even know. This seems like a plausible deniability for desertion or something. "We ran out of fuel, oh well, nothing we can do." Not that I'm complaining, I'd rather get lost and captured than fight for Putin either.
    - bambataa 5y ago
      This is why I am confused. It just seems so absurdly incompetent that I can’t quite believe it is all true. I realise that stupid things happen during war, but it’s only a few days in and surely this is the kind of thing they train and plan for.
int_19h 5y ago
These cost a million dollars a piece to Americans. I'm not sure how much Russia pays for each Caliber cruise missile, but the (short-range ballistic rather than cruise) Tochka-U is somewhere around $150k. Also, for what it's worth, Russia used 26 Caliber missiles on a single day in Syria back in 2015.
- newsclues 5y ago
  Russia doesn’t have the same stockpiles of Precision Guided Munitions, they don’t have the same infantry level access to NVGs, they have some high speed high tech gear, but limited amounts compared to Americans.
  - int_19h 5y ago
    Compared to Americans, sure. But they're fighting Ukrainians, not Americans.
    - newsclues 5y ago
      Stockpiles of munitions are vital, you can’t simply expend infinite numbers, they take time to resupply. At times even American troops were supply constrained on certain missiles. The point is, Russia has to be selective, especially since Ukrainian AD is still active.
      - int_19h 5y ago
        Absolutely. But then again, how many Pavlov's houses do you get during a war? It's known by name precisely because it was such an extreme case.