>Nothing you point out gets even close, in my mind, to stuff like null pointers or untyped code. So I wonder what languages you have in mind that require less p

>Nothing you point out gets even close, in my mind, to stuff like null pointers or untyped code. So I wonder what languages you have in mind that require less patience. You two are talking about two different things: - The parent is talking about the ecosystem, how menial tasks have tooling in "less interesting" languages - You are talking about the language itself I would venture to guess that the parent would agree with you, if talking about the language in a vacuum. An interesting competition would be to develop a complex product, without external dependencies. My sad guess is that languages that are filled with escape hatches, like Java, Javascript, or python, would defeat more strict languages. It's a sad guess, because I actually do prefer the Haskell way.