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> if you don't also adjust your clothing That's the thing though. If you live in an area where heating is required in the winter, you definitely have the neces

> if you don't also adjust your clothing That's the thing though. If you live in an area where heating is required in the winter, you definitely have the necessary clothing to get through a period of 18 °C in your home.

lostlogin 5y ago
You could take the terrible example we live by here in New Zealand. We pretend it doesn’t get cold, have poorly insulated and rather damp houses and just suffer through it. An inside temperature of 18 in midwinter sounds lovely. We also lack good wardrobes, but that might just be me.
- Hallucinaut 5y ago
  NZ housing stock is truly atrocious. I knew it was bad but didn't appreciate how bad until living in the UK and going through winters sometimes without even needing to use heating (granted in apartments in that situation). Double glazing being near universal compared to pathetic aluminium frames are a major difference and leaky buildings top it off.
  - midasuni 5y ago
    Looked at emigrating to NZ shortly after the kids were born - so many friends had. I was shocked by the housing situation, prices were going crazy sure, that’s to be expected, but the actual quality of the housing was also terrible, and there wasn’t any cultural awareness of how bad they were Didn’t move in the end, mainly because we wouldn’t have the money for the kids to see grandparents. Still not sure it was the right decision.
    - lostlogin 5y ago
      Any moves to tighten up building regulation are derided as red tape, nanny state etc. It’s amazing how much we undermine ourselves.
    - jokethrowaway 5y ago
      I considered NZ as well but the weather looks pretty terrible in NZ (maybe slightly better than the UK), windy and rainy. House prices weren't too bad but quality wise they weren't great. I can't say they were much worse from London tbh (but it may be more related to how everything is expensive in London, outside of London house quality is way better). Also taxes are pretty bad. I'm completely appalled at how they're dealing with COVID so I'm glad I kept away from NZ and AU
      - lostlogin 5y ago
        Not sure about the weather comparison with the UK - its a lot wetter but the weather is more tropical (ie we get the rain in massive downpours, not drizzle). House prices are very very high relative to wages and the quality is deeply average. Comparing house prices to London is not very logical, as the wages are nowhere near the same. Dealing with covid - compare the death rate to pretty much anywhere. That was the point and what we wanted.
- baash05 5y ago
  I grew up, and spent most of my life in Canada. I moved to Australia in my 30's. I have to say, I have never had a more uncomfortable winter than my first year here. I was cold all the time. Down to my bones cold. I hated it. I eventually found a house that had decent insulation, and since then I've never let it get cold in my place. I've got solar, and I keep the heat cranked.

lostlogin 5y ago

You could take the terrible example we live by here in New Zealand. We pretend it doesn’t get cold, have poorly insulated and rather damp houses and just suffer through it. An inside temperature of 18 in midwinter sounds lovely. We also lack good wardrobes, but that might just be me.

Hallucinaut 5y ago
NZ housing stock is truly atrocious. I knew it was bad but didn't appreciate how bad until living in the UK and going through winters sometimes without even needing to use heating (granted in apartments in that situation). Double glazing being near universal compared to pathetic aluminium frames are a major difference and leaky buildings top it off.
- midasuni 5y ago
  Looked at emigrating to NZ shortly after the kids were born - so many friends had. I was shocked by the housing situation, prices were going crazy sure, that’s to be expected, but the actual quality of the housing was also terrible, and there wasn’t any cultural awareness of how bad they were Didn’t move in the end, mainly because we wouldn’t have the money for the kids to see grandparents. Still not sure it was the right decision.
  - lostlogin 5y ago
    Any moves to tighten up building regulation are derided as red tape, nanny state etc. It’s amazing how much we undermine ourselves.
  - jokethrowaway 5y ago
    I considered NZ as well but the weather looks pretty terrible in NZ (maybe slightly better than the UK), windy and rainy. House prices weren't too bad but quality wise they weren't great. I can't say they were much worse from London tbh (but it may be more related to how everything is expensive in London, outside of London house quality is way better). Also taxes are pretty bad. I'm completely appalled at how they're dealing with COVID so I'm glad I kept away from NZ and AU
    - lostlogin 5y ago
      Not sure about the weather comparison with the UK - its a lot wetter but the weather is more tropical (ie we get the rain in massive downpours, not drizzle). House prices are very very high relative to wages and the quality is deeply average. Comparing house prices to London is not very logical, as the wages are nowhere near the same. Dealing with covid - compare the death rate to pretty much anywhere. That was the point and what we wanted.
baash05 5y ago
I grew up, and spent most of my life in Canada. I moved to Australia in my 30's. I have to say, I have never had a more uncomfortable winter than my first year here. I was cold all the time. Down to my bones cold. I hated it. I eventually found a house that had decent insulation, and since then I've never let it get cold in my place. I've got solar, and I keep the heat cranked.