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I think when you're calling bullshit, in order for it not to become a he-said, she-said situation, you should provide any sort of source. If you sit still at 1

by lucb1e 5y ago

I think when you're calling bullshit, in order for it not to become a he-said, she-said situation, you should provide any sort of source. If you sit still at 18°C, working on a computer, you'll get very cold before the ~3h of work in the morning is over if you don't also adjust your clothing. I don't find it such a leap to assume this body temperature change reduces your immune system, but then I don't really know. I'd be interested in the answer, but at this point OP's argument makes more sense to me than yours and neither is backed up with links so...

driverdan 5y ago
> I think when you're calling bullshit, in order for it not to become a he-said, she-said situation, you should provide any sort of source. You have it backwards. I'm saying there's no difference. The person making the claim there is a difference is the one who needs evidence.
majewsky 5y ago
> if you don't also adjust your clothing That's the thing though. If you live in an area where heating is required in the winter, you definitely have the necessary clothing to get through a period of 18 °C in your home.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  You could take the terrible example we live by here in New Zealand. We pretend it doesn’t get cold, have poorly insulated and rather damp houses and just suffer through it. An inside temperature of 18 in midwinter sounds lovely. We also lack good wardrobes, but that might just be me.
  - Hallucinaut 5y ago
    NZ housing stock is truly atrocious. I knew it was bad but didn't appreciate how bad until living in the UK and going through winters sometimes without even needing to use heating (granted in apartments in that situation). Double glazing being near universal compared to pathetic aluminium frames are a major difference and leaky buildings top it off.
    - midasuni 5y ago
      Looked at emigrating to NZ shortly after the kids were born - so many friends had. I was shocked by the housing situation, prices were going crazy sure, that’s to be expected, but the actual quality of the housing was also terrible, and there wasn’t any cultural awareness of how bad they were Didn’t move in the end, mainly because we wouldn’t have the money for the kids to see grandparents. Still not sure it was the right decision.
      - lostlogin 5y ago
        Any moves to tighten up building regulation are derided as red tape, nanny state etc. It’s amazing how much we undermine ourselves.
      - jokethrowaway 5y ago
        I considered NZ as well but the weather looks pretty terrible in NZ (maybe slightly better than the UK), windy and rainy. House prices weren't too bad but quality wise they weren't great. I can't say they were much worse from London tbh (but it may be more related to how everything is expensive in London, outside of London house quality is way better). Also taxes are pretty bad. I'm completely appalled at how they're dealing with COVID so I'm glad I kept away from NZ and AU
        lostlogin 5y ago
        Not sure about the weather comparison with the UK - its a lot wetter but the weather is more tropical (ie we get the rain in massive downpours, not drizzle). House prices are very very high relative to wages and the quality is deeply average. Comparing house prices to London is not very logical, as the wages are nowhere near the same. Dealing with covid - compare the death rate to pretty much anywhere. That was the point and what we wanted.
  - baash05 5y ago
    I grew up, and spent most of my life in Canada. I moved to Australia in my 30's. I have to say, I have never had a more uncomfortable winter than my first year here. I was cold all the time. Down to my bones cold. I hated it. I eventually found a house that had decent insulation, and since then I've never let it get cold in my place. I've got solar, and I keep the heat cranked.
jart 5y ago
Even with more layers 18°C is low enough to impact joint movement which makes it difficult, even in healthy young people, to type on a keyboard. Similar to how summer heat without A/C interferes with concentration. Brave personal sacrifices to save the planet.
- distances 5y ago
  Indeed. There's no way I can work at 18°C. Four layers of shirts plus wrist warmers won't be enough to keep my fingers flexible on the keyboard if I sit still and code. Edit: and I know this because I start the workday at 17°C in winter months. I live in an old building with poor-ish window insulation so I turn off heating in most rooms for the night, and in the bedroom for the day to conserve energy.
  - genewitch 5y ago
    Code on a laptop and mine verium on it too (or whatever, 'compile') + an incandescent bulb aimed at your head is a decent amount of mitigation for it being 17-18C. During the cold snap where it was below -15C during the night in the southern US last year I did exactly what i specified, and i didn't bother using my central heat. I haven't used central heat at all for 2 years. I do have mini split air systems, but at -15C they spend more time defrosting than heating, so the mitigation was to use lots of blankets in the bedrooms and turn the minisplits to heat at about 6AM to take the chill out for the morning routines, but shut them off at 10PM. There's no sense in wasting heat defrosting on "less efficient" heat pumps. for perspective it's about 19C(66.2F) and i'm wearing shorts and a short sleeve shirt, indoors. One other thing that may not be true everywhere is i run de-humidifiers nearly year round, so that does dump about 800-1000W in the air when they're actively removing moisture, so your mileage may vary.
    - lucb1e 5y ago
      > During the cold snap where it was below -15C during the night [...] and i didn't bother using my central heat. I haven't used central heat at all for 2 years. [...] i'm wearing shorts and a short sleeve shirt, indoors Yeah something doesn't add up here. Unless that lamp has a crazy wattage and you look down at this "mining" laptop on your lap for 8 hours a day (no desk, all heat going to legs, wrists, and hands), I don't really see this being realistic.

by lucb1e 5y ago

driverdan 5y ago

> I think when you're calling bullshit, in order for it not to become a he-said, she-said situation, you should provide any sort of source. You have it backwards. I'm saying there's no difference. The person making the claim there is a difference is the one who needs evidence.

majewsky 5y ago

> if you don't also adjust your clothing That's the thing though. If you live in an area where heating is required in the winter, you definitely have the necessary clothing to get through a period of 18 °C in your home.

lostlogin 5y ago
You could take the terrible example we live by here in New Zealand. We pretend it doesn’t get cold, have poorly insulated and rather damp houses and just suffer through it. An inside temperature of 18 in midwinter sounds lovely. We also lack good wardrobes, but that might just be me.
- Hallucinaut 5y ago
  NZ housing stock is truly atrocious. I knew it was bad but didn't appreciate how bad until living in the UK and going through winters sometimes without even needing to use heating (granted in apartments in that situation). Double glazing being near universal compared to pathetic aluminium frames are a major difference and leaky buildings top it off.
  - midasuni 5y ago
    Looked at emigrating to NZ shortly after the kids were born - so many friends had. I was shocked by the housing situation, prices were going crazy sure, that’s to be expected, but the actual quality of the housing was also terrible, and there wasn’t any cultural awareness of how bad they were Didn’t move in the end, mainly because we wouldn’t have the money for the kids to see grandparents. Still not sure it was the right decision.
    - lostlogin 5y ago
      Any moves to tighten up building regulation are derided as red tape, nanny state etc. It’s amazing how much we undermine ourselves.
    - jokethrowaway 5y ago
      I considered NZ as well but the weather looks pretty terrible in NZ (maybe slightly better than the UK), windy and rainy. House prices weren't too bad but quality wise they weren't great. I can't say they were much worse from London tbh (but it may be more related to how everything is expensive in London, outside of London house quality is way better). Also taxes are pretty bad. I'm completely appalled at how they're dealing with COVID so I'm glad I kept away from NZ and AU
      - lostlogin 5y ago
        Not sure about the weather comparison with the UK - its a lot wetter but the weather is more tropical (ie we get the rain in massive downpours, not drizzle). House prices are very very high relative to wages and the quality is deeply average. Comparing house prices to London is not very logical, as the wages are nowhere near the same. Dealing with covid - compare the death rate to pretty much anywhere. That was the point and what we wanted.
- baash05 5y ago
  I grew up, and spent most of my life in Canada. I moved to Australia in my 30's. I have to say, I have never had a more uncomfortable winter than my first year here. I was cold all the time. Down to my bones cold. I hated it. I eventually found a house that had decent insulation, and since then I've never let it get cold in my place. I've got solar, and I keep the heat cranked.

jart 5y ago

Even with more layers 18°C is low enough to impact joint movement which makes it difficult, even in healthy young people, to type on a keyboard. Similar to how summer heat without A/C interferes with concentration. Brave personal sacrifices to save the planet.

distances 5y ago
Indeed. There's no way I can work at 18°C. Four layers of shirts plus wrist warmers won't be enough to keep my fingers flexible on the keyboard if I sit still and code. Edit: and I know this because I start the workday at 17°C in winter months. I live in an old building with poor-ish window insulation so I turn off heating in most rooms for the night, and in the bedroom for the day to conserve energy.
- genewitch 5y ago
  Code on a laptop and mine verium on it too (or whatever, 'compile') + an incandescent bulb aimed at your head is a decent amount of mitigation for it being 17-18C. During the cold snap where it was below -15C during the night in the southern US last year I did exactly what i specified, and i didn't bother using my central heat. I haven't used central heat at all for 2 years. I do have mini split air systems, but at -15C they spend more time defrosting than heating, so the mitigation was to use lots of blankets in the bedrooms and turn the minisplits to heat at about 6AM to take the chill out for the morning routines, but shut them off at 10PM. There's no sense in wasting heat defrosting on "less efficient" heat pumps. for perspective it's about 19C(66.2F) and i'm wearing shorts and a short sleeve shirt, indoors. One other thing that may not be true everywhere is i run de-humidifiers nearly year round, so that does dump about 800-1000W in the air when they're actively removing moisture, so your mileage may vary.
  - lucb1e 5y ago
    > During the cold snap where it was below -15C during the night [...] and i didn't bother using my central heat. I haven't used central heat at all for 2 years. [...] i'm wearing shorts and a short sleeve shirt, indoors Yeah something doesn't add up here. Unless that lamp has a crazy wattage and you look down at this "mining" laptop on your lap for 8 hours a day (no desk, all heat going to legs, wrists, and hands), I don't really see this being realistic.