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Interesting read. I guess it's self-evident, but not having thought about the topic, the utility of rubble and repurposing semi-destroyed structures, as well as
by mlinksva 5y ago
Interesting read. I guess it's self-evident, but not having thought about the topic, the utility of rubble and repurposing semi-destroyed structures, as well as how important snipers are, were new to me. Maybe the importance of snipers makes civilians being handed out guns in Kyiv now seem less futile.
Would be interested to read a basic explainer along these lines on "How to Rebuild a City" -- I guess one divergence from urban planning/development literature would be on how to reuse rubble? Given the many destroyed cities through history including this century which have been at least partially reubilt (perhaps Grozny was first of this century?) I guess there must be plenty written on this topic.
- ch4s3 5y agoI read about the Lebanese civil war a few years ago and it was pretty eye opening. Urban warfare seems terrifying from the perspective of the attacker.
- gitfan86 5y agoIf you are in a group and a sniper hits someone that isn't an instant kill, what do you do? Take cover and let them die, or run in the line of fire and try to help or try to find the sniper?
- peakaboo 5y agoSnipers intentionally shoot to not kill sometimes, so they get more targets.
- bluGill 5y agoThat isn't allowed by the Geneva convention. It is very effective though, so I'm sure it is done.
- vhgyu75e6u 5y agoYou make it sound like it is intentionally done but if the shooter is far away/has poor accuracy and the soldier has body armor, chances are he will be incapacitated but not killed. After that the question is: is more morally ok to killed the downed soldier or wait for his unit who is still and active aggressor.
- bluGill 5y agoYeah, intentionally is not allowed, you are supposed to try for a clean kill. Doing so is as you point out difficult.
- tradertef 5y agoIf your country is invaded, would you care about Geneva convention?
- dillondoyle 5y agoInteresting I would have guessed the opposite. Why?
- bluGill 5y agoBecause the hurt suffer a lot. Getting through life missing a leg is not pleasant. Also dozens risk their life saving a down but alive friend, while you will leave the dead until it is safe
- knowaveragejoe 5y ago
- sobriquet9 5y agoTake cover and throw them a rope.
- mulmen 5y agoI suggest watching Full Metal Jacket.
- pc86 5y agoThe number one objective is to not become another injured person or body that needs to be handled. You always take cover first then decide next moves.
- gonzo41 5y agoKill the sniper. Don't fixate on casualties. Slice the pie, identify probable locations, send teams to neutralize the threat.
- belter 5y ago"...In September 1942, during the Battle of Stalingrad, Russian Sergeant Yakov Pavlov and his platoon seized a four-story apartment building—later dubbed “Pavlov’s House”—overlooking a large square. The building had long lines of sight from three sides. Pavlov’s men place barbed wire and antipersonnel and antitank mines around the building, smashed and cut holes in walls to create interior walkways, and placed machine-gun firing points in the building’s corners. They would move to the cellar as indirect fire struck the top of the building or to higher floors when German Panzers approached so they could fire antitank rifles down onto the tanks’ vulnerable, thin roofs. Pavlov and his men held the building for fifty-eight days against numerous mechanized and combined arms attacks, causing an unknown number of German vehicle and soldier kills in the process..."
- cortesoft 5y agoWouldn't they just target the building with a cruise middle these days?
- belter 5y agoThose cost a million dollars a piece. Russians have serious logistical problems now. There are Twitter videos of some of their tank crews stuck on Ukrainian roads without fuel and being taunted and asked if they want for a ride back to Russia by Ukrainian passers by. https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537193346220038 https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537193346220038
- bambataa 5y agoThat tweet has been shared a lot but is there any indication that any of it is true? And even if it is, doesn’t that just mean Russia will move from the quick strike strategy to a more bloody, full assault?
- belter 5y agoThey are having to supply fuel, food and ammunition to 200,000 men over a 500 Km distance in hostile territory. You would need a fantastic logistical operation to be able to support that even in your own country. "Ukrainian citizen confronts Russian soldiers after tank runs out of fuel" https://youtu.be/14gVDF2b1vA https://youtu.be/14gVDF2b1vA
- scyzoryk_xyz 5y agoI don’t know about writing or research on the subject but I live in a city in western Poland. In some sense you could say we are still “rebuilding” today. Much of the brick extracted from the rubble was from what I know, used as building material in the 50’s and 60’s. Near to where I live, there is a rectangular hill, some 6-7 stories tall and there is a large park on it. It’s pretty huge. It’s made up of all the rubble that was cleared from the area (which was a large neighborhood that was 99% destroyed during Soviet siege/offensive in 1944). Rebuilding cities after wars takes forever.
- eCa 5y agoA small example would be the main church of Dresden[1], in what was Eastern Germany. Destroyed by the allied bombings of 1945, it was left as rubble[2] in the middle of town all through communist rule. The rebuild was completed in 2005. Rebuilding entire cities is another thing altogether. And even if there is a new city built where the old one was standing, so much history has been lost. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frauenkirche,_Dresden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frauenkirche,_Dresden [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frauenkirche,_Dresden#/media/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-60015-0002,_Dresden,_Denkmal_Martin_Luther,_Frauenkirche,_Ruine.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frauenkirche,_Dresden#/media/F...
- slim 5y agoin Lebanon they put rubble in the sea to extend land