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>They literally are calling Ukrainians Nazis This is propaganda BS. The Russian government tries to paint itself a protector of Ukrainian people oppressed by a

by fuoqi 5y ago

>They literally are calling Ukrainians Nazis This is propaganda BS. The Russian government tries to paint itself a protector of Ukrainian people oppressed by a small number of neo-Nazi and the puppet US-controlled government. Luckily, it's not only words. Not only they a really careful to minimize civilian collateral damage, they haven't even bombed living quarters of the Ukrainian army on the first day of the invasion in the hope of increasing rate of defections.

hluska 5y ago
You’re actually trying to portray Russians as heroes??? Hilarious dude. Absolutely fucking hilarious.
- fuoqi 5y ago
  No, I do not. But I detest the dehumanizing tactic wildly used by both sides. You can easily verify how the Russian army acts on the ground in respect to civilians using a ton of videos shot by Ukrainian citizens.
  - kergonath 5y ago
    Ah, both sides. Of course. Random Russian soldiers not being rabid beasts does not put them on the good side. It just means that even in Russia, not everyone is either purely evil or good.
- kergonath 5y ago
  But they have so much restraint. Commendable. If only their humanism had prevented them to invade a sovereign country without even declaring war properly.
ldoughty 5y ago
BBC segment with Russian politician Vitaly Milonov... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w172xv5m51jmvxk https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w172xv5m51jmvxk Starts at 30:40... Yes, they call the Ukrainian government Nazis. They are avoiding civilians because it's already a very borderline world way. If Russia throws one nuke, or engaged in blatant war crimes, the west would be more willing to be involved
- fuoqi 5y ago
  Why are you presenting an opinion of a far-right marginal politician as an official position of the Russian government? And why do you engage in dehumanizing tactics? No, they are not devils in flesh who can not wait but to perform some war crimes for love of it and do not do it only because of fear for the Western reaction. They try to win over the loyalist parts of the Ukrainian population and to lessen dissent in Russia.
  - ldoughty 5y ago
    It's dehumanizing Russia state a fact that Russia is dehumanizing Ukrainians? I can't follow your logic. I linked to a BBC clip that was heard by hundreds of thousands of people (or more). While he might not be Putin himself, he is a prominent politician in Russia. If you believe Russia has free and fair elections, then he must be influential of a large number of people, and even if he's "far right", he's certainly not "marginal". Putin himself has also made statements that Ukraine is committing Genocide of Russians [0].. so does that make Putin far-right as well? Are Putin's comments even the official position of the Russian government? He is, after all, just a "politician" himself.... I'm not claiming "Russians" are war criminals just looking for an opportunity, I'm saying that if you're in a country being invaded... do not count on the invading forces to follow international conventions and treat you like an unarmed combatant when they see you... While most might -- you only have one life, and it only takes one soldier to end it. I would suggest people in such a situation flee, or resist.... not sit around and hope that soldiers in war will act like good human beings to an unarmed innocent bystander. [0]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/25/vladimir-putin/putin-repeats-long-running-claim-genocide-ukraine/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/25/vladimir-p...
kergonath 5y ago
> Luckily, it's not only words. Not only they a really careful to minimize civilian collateral damage, they haven't even bombed living quarters of the Ukrainian army on the first day of the invasion in the hope of increasing rate of defections. This is bullshit. It’s like when the US role play the white knight and say they don’t kill civilians. War is bloody and confusing. If you drop bombs, you are certain to kill people, some of them without wanting to. If you start a war, you own it, blood and all. Stop being such an hypocrite.

by fuoqi 5y ago

hluska 5y ago

You’re actually trying to portray Russians as heroes??? Hilarious dude. Absolutely fucking hilarious.

fuoqi 5y ago
No, I do not. But I detest the dehumanizing tactic wildly used by both sides. You can easily verify how the Russian army acts on the ground in respect to civilians using a ton of videos shot by Ukrainian citizens.
- kergonath 5y ago
  Ah, both sides. Of course. Random Russian soldiers not being rabid beasts does not put them on the good side. It just means that even in Russia, not everyone is either purely evil or good.
kergonath 5y ago
But they have so much restraint. Commendable. If only their humanism had prevented them to invade a sovereign country without even declaring war properly.

ldoughty 5y ago

BBC segment with Russian politician Vitaly Milonov... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w172xv5m51jmvxk https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w172xv5m51jmvxk Starts at 30:40... Yes, they call the Ukrainian government Nazis. They are avoiding civilians because it's already a very borderline world way. If Russia throws one nuke, or engaged in blatant war crimes, the west would be more willing to be involved

fuoqi 5y ago
Why are you presenting an opinion of a far-right marginal politician as an official position of the Russian government? And why do you engage in dehumanizing tactics? No, they are not devils in flesh who can not wait but to perform some war crimes for love of it and do not do it only because of fear for the Western reaction. They try to win over the loyalist parts of the Ukrainian population and to lessen dissent in Russia.
- ldoughty 5y ago
  It's dehumanizing Russia state a fact that Russia is dehumanizing Ukrainians? I can't follow your logic. I linked to a BBC clip that was heard by hundreds of thousands of people (or more). While he might not be Putin himself, he is a prominent politician in Russia. If you believe Russia has free and fair elections, then he must be influential of a large number of people, and even if he's "far right", he's certainly not "marginal". Putin himself has also made statements that Ukraine is committing Genocide of Russians [0].. so does that make Putin far-right as well? Are Putin's comments even the official position of the Russian government? He is, after all, just a "politician" himself.... I'm not claiming "Russians" are war criminals just looking for an opportunity, I'm saying that if you're in a country being invaded... do not count on the invading forces to follow international conventions and treat you like an unarmed combatant when they see you... While most might -- you only have one life, and it only takes one soldier to end it. I would suggest people in such a situation flee, or resist.... not sit around and hope that soldiers in war will act like good human beings to an unarmed innocent bystander. [0]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/25/vladimir-putin/putin-repeats-long-running-claim-genocide-ukraine/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/25/vladimir-p...

kergonath 5y ago

> Luckily, it's not only words. Not only they a really careful to minimize civilian collateral damage, they haven't even bombed living quarters of the Ukrainian army on the first day of the invasion in the hope of increasing rate of defections. This is bullshit. It’s like when the US role play the white knight and say they don’t kill civilians. War is bloody and confusing. If you drop bombs, you are certain to kill people, some of them without wanting to. If you start a war, you own it, blood and all. Stop being such an hypocrite.