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the world is on your side if not at your side just yet... hopefully putin gets deposed and someone more like your leader gets installed

JadeNB 5y ago
> hopefully putin gets deposed and someone more like your leader gets installed Given the choice, I'd definitely rather have Zelensky than Putin, but preferably not either. The world doesn't need more celebrity politicians. (I recognise that the US is scarcely a model here; I can only plead that I didn't want any of our celebrity politicians, either.) EDIT: To be quite clear, this is not meant in any way as anti-Zelenksy. As the child comments say, correctly, he seems to be the leader Ukraine needs right now.
- kergonath 5y ago
  The Ukrainians choosing whomever they want is the best outcome. There is still the possibility that they could choose someone terrible, but that is their prerogative. The perfect president does not exist. I’d settle for one with whom you can have a discussion and who does not see the world through the prism of an imaginary past.
  - JadeNB 5y ago
    > The Ukrainians choosing whomever they want is the best outcome. There is still the possibility that they could choose someone terrible, but that is their prerogative. Oh, agreed! I certainly wouldn't say that Ukrainians shouldn't be able to select their own leader—they should, and, despite superficial impressions, have done so well. It's just that I hope the world doesn't learn from this that electing comedians is the way to go.
    - kergonath 5y ago
      > It's just that I hope the world doesn't learn from this that electing comedians is the way to go. Yeah. Though this one does not seem to behave so badly in the end. No comparison with Trump or Reagan. To be fair, whilst not a populist, I am fed up with career politicians and bland technocrats that are killing politics. We need doctors, lawyers, intellectuals, farmers, businessmen, factory workers, and much more (in no specific order) in our parliaments and amongst our elected people. A sweet spot between reckless clowns and psychopaths would be nice.
      - JadeNB 5y ago
        Agreed. As a teacher, I'd love to see more teachers in the political mix, too.
        kergonath 5y ago
        Indeed, those too. In my mind they were with the intellectuals.
- avh02 5y ago
  I'd generally agree with you, but this celebrity president seems to have some sense and relative competence
- lolinder 5y ago
  In this case, it looks like Zelensky may be exactly what Ukraine needs right now. He might just be playing another part, but if so he's doing a really good job of it. "The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride."
- weaksauce 5y ago
  yeah I agree in part that we should probably not have celebrity presidents but he is definitely qualified for the job and has a law degree so it's not like he's just an actor. now on the other hand our celebrity leaders I can generally do without.
kingcharles 5y ago
If Ukraine wins this they should pull a switcheroo and invade Russia, oust Putin and install Zelensky in the Kremlin. For the lulz.

JadeNB 5y ago

> hopefully putin gets deposed and someone more like your leader gets installed Given the choice, I'd definitely rather have Zelensky than Putin, but preferably not either. The world doesn't need more celebrity politicians. (I recognise that the US is scarcely a model here; I can only plead that I didn't want any of our celebrity politicians, either.) EDIT: To be quite clear, this is not meant in any way as anti-Zelenksy. As the child comments say, correctly, he seems to be the leader Ukraine needs right now.

kergonath 5y ago
The Ukrainians choosing whomever they want is the best outcome. There is still the possibility that they could choose someone terrible, but that is their prerogative. The perfect president does not exist. I’d settle for one with whom you can have a discussion and who does not see the world through the prism of an imaginary past.
- JadeNB 5y ago
  > The Ukrainians choosing whomever they want is the best outcome. There is still the possibility that they could choose someone terrible, but that is their prerogative. Oh, agreed! I certainly wouldn't say that Ukrainians shouldn't be able to select their own leader—they should, and, despite superficial impressions, have done so well. It's just that I hope the world doesn't learn from this that electing comedians is the way to go.
  - kergonath 5y ago
    > It's just that I hope the world doesn't learn from this that electing comedians is the way to go. Yeah. Though this one does not seem to behave so badly in the end. No comparison with Trump or Reagan. To be fair, whilst not a populist, I am fed up with career politicians and bland technocrats that are killing politics. We need doctors, lawyers, intellectuals, farmers, businessmen, factory workers, and much more (in no specific order) in our parliaments and amongst our elected people. A sweet spot between reckless clowns and psychopaths would be nice.
    - JadeNB 5y ago
      Agreed. As a teacher, I'd love to see more teachers in the political mix, too.
      - kergonath 5y ago
        Indeed, those too. In my mind they were with the intellectuals.
avh02 5y ago
I'd generally agree with you, but this celebrity president seems to have some sense and relative competence
lolinder 5y ago
In this case, it looks like Zelensky may be exactly what Ukraine needs right now. He might just be playing another part, but if so he's doing a really good job of it. "The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride."
weaksauce 5y ago
yeah I agree in part that we should probably not have celebrity presidents but he is definitely qualified for the job and has a law degree so it's not like he's just an actor. now on the other hand our celebrity leaders I can generally do without.

kingcharles 5y ago

If Ukraine wins this they should pull a switcheroo and invade Russia, oust Putin and install Zelensky in the Kremlin. For the lulz.