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Calling the other side evil is what tyrants thrive on.

mhh__ 5y ago
I am absolutely happy to call the Russian government evil, I don't live too far away from Salisbury so it's not exactly a theoretical discussion.
- mohanmcgeek 5y ago
  I mean, Russians would have definitely called the West and Ukraine as evil in their domestic channels. No? There's no good vs evil in international diplomacy.
  - koonsolo 5y ago
    Do you have the same sentiment for Nazi's?
    - mohanmcgeek 5y ago
      This isn't a sentiment. The simplistic version of the Nazi's rise to power is that they did so by labelling Jews and other minorities as evil. That reinforces my point. Doesn't it? (And were the British any better? See: Bengal Famine)
      - koonsolo 5y ago
        What point? That there is no good or evil side?
        mohanmcgeek 5y ago
        > Calling the other side evil is what tyrants thrive on
        koonsolo 5y ago
        > There's no good vs evil in international diplomacy. The whole world thinks that Russia is doing an evil thing, just as the whole world thinks Nazi's did an evil thing. You claimed literally "There's no good vs evil", while there clearly is.
        mohanmcgeek 5y ago
        The Nazi's certainly didn't think of themselves as evil. They called the other side evil/Jews evil. Same with Stalin's USSR. > The whole world thinks that Russia is doing an evil thing 100+ countries abstained from voting in the resolution condemning Russian actions. That includes India and China which account for 30% of the world population. So the "world" clearly isn't part of whatever propaganda echo chamber you're in. The world, like me, doesn't care what happens in a distant corner in Eastern Europe. In any case, geopolitics isn't good vs evil: countries just pursue their strategic interests. Realpolitik
        koonsolo 5y ago
        > 100+ countries abstained from voting So they didn't vote in favor of Russia, did they? Even friendly China didn't vote in favor of Russia. > The world, like me, doesn't care what happens in a distant corner in Eastern Europe. Just because you don't care, doesn't make it right.
        mohanmcgeek 5y ago
        Just refuting your statement that the world sees one side as evil. We, the rest of the world, have no horse in the race. > they didn't vote in favor of Russia, did they? In a resolution like this, abstaining is effectively the same as voting against. > Just because you don't care, doesn't make it right. You're just trolling at this point

I am absolutely happy to call the Russian government evil, I don't live too far away from Salisbury so it's not exactly a theoretical discussion.

mohanmcgeek 5y ago
I mean, Russians would have definitely called the West and Ukraine as evil in their domestic channels. No? There's no good vs evil in international diplomacy.
- koonsolo 5y ago
  Do you have the same sentiment for Nazi's?
  - mohanmcgeek 5y ago
    This isn't a sentiment. The simplistic version of the Nazi's rise to power is that they did so by labelling Jews and other minorities as evil. That reinforces my point. Doesn't it? (And were the British any better? See: Bengal Famine)
    - koonsolo 5y ago
      What point? That there is no good or evil side?
      - mohanmcgeek 5y ago
        > Calling the other side evil is what tyrants thrive on
        koonsolo 5y ago
        > There's no good vs evil in international diplomacy. The whole world thinks that Russia is doing an evil thing, just as the whole world thinks Nazi's did an evil thing. You claimed literally "There's no good vs evil", while there clearly is.
        mohanmcgeek 5y ago
        The Nazi's certainly didn't think of themselves as evil. They called the other side evil/Jews evil. Same with Stalin's USSR. > The whole world thinks that Russia is doing an evil thing 100+ countries abstained from voting in the resolution condemning Russian actions. That includes India and China which account for 30% of the world population. So the "world" clearly isn't part of whatever propaganda echo chamber you're in. The world, like me, doesn't care what happens in a distant corner in Eastern Europe. In any case, geopolitics isn't good vs evil: countries just pursue their strategic interests. Realpolitik
        koonsolo 5y ago
        > 100+ countries abstained from voting So they didn't vote in favor of Russia, did they? Even friendly China didn't vote in favor of Russia. > The world, like me, doesn't care what happens in a distant corner in Eastern Europe. Just because you don't care, doesn't make it right.
        mohanmcgeek 5y ago
        Just refuting your statement that the world sees one side as evil. We, the rest of the world, have no horse in the race. > they didn't vote in favor of Russia, did they? In a resolution like this, abstaining is effectively the same as voting against. > Just because you don't care, doesn't make it right. You're just trolling at this point