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From my equally uneducated perspective, I understand that this started with the 2014 revolution that the Russian government calls a coup. A conventional war se
by mohanmcgeek 5y ago
From my equally uneducated perspective, I understand that this started with the 2014 revolution that the Russian government calls a coup.
A conventional war several thousand kilometres away shouldn't affect me regardless of the outcome but media has been trying to project this as world war 3, more and more countries are seemingly getting involved (and GitHub issues are being created to block Russian users). Makes it scary.
- pixl97 5y ago>has been trying to project this as world war 3 I mean, Putin has made a number of nuclear and 'significant' threats in the past week. It shouldn't be surprising that this would concern a great number of people.
- _jal 5y ago> A conventional war several thousand kilometres away shouldn't affect me Think of it as sort of akin to the very early days of COVID-19. There were far more unknowns than known facts, it immediately became politicized which poisoned the discourse, and multiple historical precedents demonstrate how much worse it could have been. (And of course, it also isn't over...) Today this is Russia attacking Ukraine. But Europe is deeply interconnected, war is definitionally out of control, and there are multiple historical precedents demonstrating how bad this can get. I do hope your faith that this stays "just" a regional disaster holds true, but right now do not see reason to share it.
- throwaway290 5y agoHow does a coup in literally another country justify invading it? (Add: sorry, I should not have phrased it so sharply since you state it as an uneducated perspective.)
- bckr 5y agoFunny how you could call it either a "revolution" or a "coup", and they both mean more or less the same thing, but "coup" delegitimizes it, while "revolution" legitimizes it. Anyway, the revolution overthrew a pro-Russian, anti-EU president. So there you go.
- throwaway290 5y agoThanks for supporting my point. Additionally, 'coup' in my view has the connotations of a regime overthrow by a militant minority, which does not seem to have been the case.
- the_lonely_road 5y agoInterestingly enough I had the same understanding as you and it appears to be wrong (unless the definition has changed as they seem to be wont to do in recent years). I was under the impression that a coup was when the military seized power from the civilian government and a revolution was when the civilian populace tore down the current government. This is the current definition that google returns and it does not support that understanding: . a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
- koonsolo 5y agoAnd if you look at the Ukrainian resistance right now, it seems they prefer a democratically elected leader over a Russian puppet dictator. Strange, right?
- yrgulation 5y agoIf you dont understand the impact that wars in east europe affect everyone’s life everywhere you havent paying attention to history since world war 2. Several thousand kilometres are basically next door.
- vl 5y agoOh, please, since 1990 there were multiple wars in Europe and literally next door nobody gave a fuck about. Serbia/Kosovo, Bosnia, Moldova, Libya, Syria. Putin is a madman that should have been deposed long time ago, but current media hysteria is on the next level.
- yrgulation 5y agoWow.
- rootusrootus 5y agoIf Putin didn't control a few thousand nukes, this wouldn't be as newsworthy, for sure. Probably he wouldn't even try to invade Ukraine in that case.