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While I agree with the sentiment that at the end of the day none of this would've happened without the Russian aggression, it does still matter because intentio

While I agree with the sentiment that at the end of the day none of this would've happened without the Russian aggression, it does still matter because intentionally targeting civilians is a war crime. I'm not saying that's what happened here but let's be clear that actions have serious meaning in war. This line of reasoning reminds me of the idea that we shouldn't care about the origin of covid because it's out there and the origin isn't going to make much difference at this point. But I think a lot of people do care about these details because they might have great historical significance.

LadyCailin 5y ago
Who is going to enforce the war crime penalties?
- nocturnial 5y ago
  The ICC [1]. Like everything it's not perfect. But this might be in their jurisdiction. I don't know. [1] https://www.voanews.com/a/icc-may-investigate-possible-war-crimes-after-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-/6458687.html https://www.voanews.com/a/icc-may-investigate-possible-war-c...
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    It is, because Ukraine, while not a state party to the Rome Statute, has acceded voluntarily to ICC jurisdiction for war crimes on its territory. OTOH, ICC has no practical power to bring Russian personnel (other than those captured in combat by Ukraine) before it for trial, and the US “invade the Hague” law on the ICC might prove a model for Russia should the ICC gain custody of Russian personnel somehow.
slg 5y ago
But the accusation is not that Russia did this intentionally. It is most likely an accident, an accident caused by Russia's invasion. Russia is responsible for the death of these civilians even if the missile came from Ukrainian equipment.
xbmcuser 5y ago
USA and its Nato allies have committed huge number of war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan without any repercussions. And USA does not allow its soldiers to be put on trial in international war courts so what moral authority do these courts have. Mostly they are used against poor african countries.
- drran 5y ago
  Declare war with US and NATO then.
  - FpUser 5y ago
    It is sure nice to be a guy with the biggest dick. Might makes right. That's the reality of life.

LadyCailin 5y ago

Who is going to enforce the war crime penalties?

nocturnial 5y ago
The ICC [1]. Like everything it's not perfect. But this might be in their jurisdiction. I don't know. [1] https://www.voanews.com/a/icc-may-investigate-possible-war-crimes-after-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-/6458687.html https://www.voanews.com/a/icc-may-investigate-possible-war-c...
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  It is, because Ukraine, while not a state party to the Rome Statute, has acceded voluntarily to ICC jurisdiction for war crimes on its territory. OTOH, ICC has no practical power to bring Russian personnel (other than those captured in combat by Ukraine) before it for trial, and the US “invade the Hague” law on the ICC might prove a model for Russia should the ICC gain custody of Russian personnel somehow.

slg 5y ago

But the accusation is not that Russia did this intentionally. It is most likely an accident, an accident caused by Russia's invasion. Russia is responsible for the death of these civilians even if the missile came from Ukrainian equipment.

xbmcuser 5y ago

USA and its Nato allies have committed huge number of war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan without any repercussions. And USA does not allow its soldiers to be put on trial in international war courts so what moral authority do these courts have. Mostly they are used against poor african countries.

drran 5y ago
Declare war with US and NATO then.
- FpUser 5y ago
  It is sure nice to be a guy with the biggest dick. Might makes right. That's the reality of life.