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The West could win the war in Ukraine in three moves: 1. Provide any deserting Russian soldiers with refugee status and $3,000 in cash 2. Enable willing fight

The West could win the war in Ukraine in three moves: 1. Provide any deserting Russian soldiers with refugee status and $3,000 in cash 2. Enable willing fighters from accross the world to reach Ukraine to defend it 3. Provide Ukraine with real SAM systems like patriots Thats it, thw war would be over in a week without NATO firing a single bullet.

gabea 5y ago
What makes you so sure?
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  You can never be sure, we were sure afghan army will hold and we were sure Ukraine wouldn't last long, and the opposite happaned. The logic is that this war is as close as it gets to 0% approval, and many soldiers arent happy aboit either. If they had a way to avoid killing their 'slavic brothers' that does not lead to being stuck in a gulag, a significan portion would take it. I am not sure how much money theid need, but compared to cost of a war, this is cheap. Kremlim would be bleeding manpower.
user3939382 5y ago
We could win the war in Ukraine by agreeing to permanently keep Ukraine out of NATO which is a fait accompli anyway since the member nations have already said they’re not going to war with Russia over Ukraine.
- hawk_ 5y ago
  Yielding to terrorists sets bad precedent. Where does it stop?
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago
  That's a strange definition of "win". Thats like saying you could win a mugging by handing over your wallet after they hit you with a baseball bat.
  - rmk 5y ago
    It's not a strange definition of "win". Winning means not getting into unnecessary fights where national interest isn't involved (for the US and many EU neighbors of Ukraine; Ukraine itself too, considering that they can never match Russia militarily).
caseysoftware 5y ago
> The West could win the war in Ukraine > without NATO firing a single bullet "Not technically NATO" but "organized by NATO-member countries" is an exceptionally dangerous line to tread.
rectang 5y ago
NATO "firing bullets" is not and has never been on the table since NATO is a defensive alliance and Ukraine is not a member. The idea of bribing Russian soldiers radically underestimates the brutal control exerted by the Kremlin over the Russian people. It also sells the Russian people short, implying individual corruption when many are patriots who oppose war against their Ukrainian cousins but are not able to speak out. The idea that bringing in freelance freedom fighters is going to end the war "in a week" is facile and ludicrous. This post is unserious and offtopic.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  You are not bribing the soldiers, you are providing a way out of war they don't want that does not end in a jail cell. The money is not a bribe, it's something to be able to start a new life

gabea 5y ago

What makes you so sure?

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
You can never be sure, we were sure afghan army will hold and we were sure Ukraine wouldn't last long, and the opposite happaned. The logic is that this war is as close as it gets to 0% approval, and many soldiers arent happy aboit either. If they had a way to avoid killing their 'slavic brothers' that does not lead to being stuck in a gulag, a significan portion would take it. I am not sure how much money theid need, but compared to cost of a war, this is cheap. Kremlim would be bleeding manpower.

user3939382 5y ago

We could win the war in Ukraine by agreeing to permanently keep Ukraine out of NATO which is a fait accompli anyway since the member nations have already said they’re not going to war with Russia over Ukraine.

hawk_ 5y ago
Yielding to terrorists sets bad precedent. Where does it stop?
ZeroGravitas 5y ago
That's a strange definition of "win". Thats like saying you could win a mugging by handing over your wallet after they hit you with a baseball bat.
- rmk 5y ago
  It's not a strange definition of "win". Winning means not getting into unnecessary fights where national interest isn't involved (for the US and many EU neighbors of Ukraine; Ukraine itself too, considering that they can never match Russia militarily).

caseysoftware 5y ago

> The West could win the war in Ukraine > without NATO firing a single bullet "Not technically NATO" but "organized by NATO-member countries" is an exceptionally dangerous line to tread.

rectang 5y ago

NATO "firing bullets" is not and has never been on the table since NATO is a defensive alliance and Ukraine is not a member. The idea of bribing Russian soldiers radically underestimates the brutal control exerted by the Kremlin over the Russian people. It also sells the Russian people short, implying individual corruption when many are patriots who oppose war against their Ukrainian cousins but are not able to speak out. The idea that bringing in freelance freedom fighters is going to end the war "in a week" is facile and ludicrous. This post is unserious and offtopic.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
You are not bribing the soldiers, you are providing a way out of war they don't want that does not end in a jail cell. The money is not a bribe, it's something to be able to start a new life