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I didn't think the banner of Anonymous as-used-by leftist hacktivists was still active after the FBI's crackdown a decade ago. Imagine a world where the FBI tr

I didn't think the banner of Anonymous as-used-by leftist hacktivists was still active after the FBI's crackdown a decade ago. Imagine a world where the FBI treated white supremacist terrorists the same way they treat hacktivists.

Stevvo 5y ago
It's an open-pseudonym, has gone through many iterations. For all we know sometimes Anonymous is the FBI.
- lowwave 5y ago
  wasn't there an original PGP signature that verify the first Anonymous?
- Geezus-42 5y ago
  When I first heard of Anonymous they were going after scientologist. It has definitely been used by a number of groups over time, probably with some overlap.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  > For all we know sometimes Anonymous is the FBI. An entirely deniable front for US cyberwarfare (or way to rally hacktivists to their cause) seems like a valuable thing for a nation state to create.
bckr 5y ago
That's the beauty of Anonymous, isn't it? It's a hydra.
1_player 5y ago
Probably it's the NSA dressed as Anonymous, but honestly who cares. Keep DDOSing, whoever is behind this.
befeltingu 5y ago
Where are all these white supremacist terrorists and what evidence is there that the FBI gives them a pass?
- Geezus-42 5y ago
  They seem to congrats around the Pacific Northwest. https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/racist-and-far-right-organizing-pacific-northwest https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/racist-a... https://www.kuow.org/stories/extremist-groups-popping-up-left-and-right-in-pacific-northwest-law-enforcement-officials-say https://www.kuow.org/stories/extremist-groups-popping-up-lef... https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/northwest-front-americas-worst-racists-119803/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/northwest-fr... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/a-new-neo-nazi-group-in-spokane-harkens-back-to-era-of-virulent-extremism-in-the-northwest/%3famp=1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/hate-groups-make-a-comeback-in-the-pacific-northwest/%3famp=1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne... https://www.splcenter.org/states/washington https://www.splcenter.org/states/washington
ipaddr 5y ago
The labelling is overboard. Hacktivists are not white hat hackers. They are black or grey and justify actions with personal morally. Judge each case by it's own merits. A lot of regular people get treated as terrorists when they do things like hack their school. I haven't ever heard of white supremacist terrorist. I've heard of terrorist, I've heard of white supremacist, but I don't think the groups bi-sect. What is the last white supremacist terror attack you remember?
- pkilgore 5y ago
  Off the top of my head? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting
  - ericbarrett 5y ago
    A few more: 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, USA, 168 killed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing 2019 El Paso Walmart shooting, USA, 23 killed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting 2019 Christchurch Mosque shooting, New Zealand, 51 killed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
    - pkilgore 5y ago
      A few days ago. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/02/doj-white-supremacists-hoped-to-ignite-race-war-by-attacking-power-grids/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/02/doj-white-suprem...
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      The 1995 bombing was against the federal government not an act of white terror. Just because someone might be racist doesn't mean the act or terror was racist in nature. The New Zealand shooting the fbi wasn't involved. The El Paso mass shooting was against one group. You don't qualify to be a white supremacist unless you hate everyone not white. That person had a problem with a specific group hardly makes him hate everyone nor was his act against everyone not white.
kodah 5y ago
Anonymous doesn't really have any political allegiance and doesn't do things for the reasons you think they do them. Most of those videos are made by non-technical people and are basic propaganda - and that's a big part in shielding Anonymous from too much federal heat. The people actually doing the work are mostly there for the laughs and clout. Second, Anonymous is mostly decentralized, much like terrorist networks. They gather on image boards you're probably detestful of and post messages on plain sight alongside a stream of repulsive content. They also splinter themselves across various IRC networks and now probably use more modern decentralized encrypted comms. That makes them difficult to track.
TeeMassive 5y ago
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- kergonath 5y ago
  You must be joking. Any sources to prop up that dubious assertion? How many mass shootings or bombings in the last 20 years in either Europe or North America were done by self-proclaimed communists?
  - TeeMassive 5y ago
    Black Lives Matter, which by the admission of its own leaders is a Marxist organization, caused more than 2 billions dollars in insurance claims during the George Floyd protests. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/22/fact-check-thousands-black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested-2020/6816074001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/22/fac... https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/02/2020-protests-changed-insurance-forever/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/02/2020-protests-changed...
    - kergonath 5y ago
      Right. BLM has absolutely nothing to do with a Marxist organisation. How are they planning to seize industry, means of production, and institute a dictatorship of the proletariat? So no, they are not Marxist (note that them not being a Marxist organisation does not preclude some Marxist people to be part of it). “Marxist” is not a label you put on things you don’t like. Besides, the parent post mentioned “far more act of political violence and destruction”, which you did not address at all. Pointing out that one group did some material damage tells nothing if you don’t look at what the other did. The vast majority of terror events, both in the US and in Europe, are due to either white supremacists or Muslim fundamentalists. You can start with these sources. They cover 2 years, but you’ll have pointers for the rest of the last 2 decades: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremacists-rightwing-domestic-terror-2020 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremac... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/us/politics/domestic-terror-white-supremacists.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/us/politics/domestic-terr...

Stevvo 5y ago

It's an open-pseudonym, has gone through many iterations. For all we know sometimes Anonymous is the FBI.

lowwave 5y ago
wasn't there an original PGP signature that verify the first Anonymous?
Geezus-42 5y ago
When I first heard of Anonymous they were going after scientologist. It has definitely been used by a number of groups over time, probably with some overlap.
HWR_14 5y ago
> For all we know sometimes Anonymous is the FBI. An entirely deniable front for US cyberwarfare (or way to rally hacktivists to their cause) seems like a valuable thing for a nation state to create.

bckr 5y ago

That's the beauty of Anonymous, isn't it? It's a hydra.

1_player 5y ago

Probably it's the NSA dressed as Anonymous, but honestly who cares. Keep DDOSing, whoever is behind this.

befeltingu 5y ago

Where are all these white supremacist terrorists and what evidence is there that the FBI gives them a pass?

Geezus-42 5y ago
They seem to congrats around the Pacific Northwest. https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/racist-and-far-right-organizing-pacific-northwest https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/racist-a... https://www.kuow.org/stories/extremist-groups-popping-up-left-and-right-in-pacific-northwest-law-enforcement-officials-say https://www.kuow.org/stories/extremist-groups-popping-up-lef... https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/northwest-front-americas-worst-racists-119803/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/northwest-fr... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/a-new-neo-nazi-group-in-spokane-harkens-back-to-era-of-virulent-extremism-in-the-northwest/%3famp=1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/hate-groups-make-a-comeback-in-the-pacific-northwest/%3famp=1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne... https://www.splcenter.org/states/washington https://www.splcenter.org/states/washington

ipaddr 5y ago

The labelling is overboard. Hacktivists are not white hat hackers. They are black or grey and justify actions with personal morally. Judge each case by it's own merits. A lot of regular people get treated as terrorists when they do things like hack their school. I haven't ever heard of white supremacist terrorist. I've heard of terrorist, I've heard of white supremacist, but I don't think the groups bi-sect. What is the last white supremacist terror attack you remember?

pkilgore 5y ago
Off the top of my head? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting
- ericbarrett 5y ago
  A few more: 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, USA, 168 killed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing 2019 El Paso Walmart shooting, USA, 23 killed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting 2019 Christchurch Mosque shooting, New Zealand, 51 killed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
  - pkilgore 5y ago
    A few days ago. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/02/doj-white-supremacists-hoped-to-ignite-race-war-by-attacking-power-grids/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/02/doj-white-suprem...
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    The 1995 bombing was against the federal government not an act of white terror. Just because someone might be racist doesn't mean the act or terror was racist in nature. The New Zealand shooting the fbi wasn't involved. The El Paso mass shooting was against one group. You don't qualify to be a white supremacist unless you hate everyone not white. That person had a problem with a specific group hardly makes him hate everyone nor was his act against everyone not white.

kodah 5y ago

Anonymous doesn't really have any political allegiance and doesn't do things for the reasons you think they do them. Most of those videos are made by non-technical people and are basic propaganda - and that's a big part in shielding Anonymous from too much federal heat. The people actually doing the work are mostly there for the laughs and clout. Second, Anonymous is mostly decentralized, much like terrorist networks. They gather on image boards you're probably detestful of and post messages on plain sight alongside a stream of repulsive content. They also splinter themselves across various IRC networks and now probably use more modern decentralized encrypted comms. That makes them difficult to track.

TeeMassive 5y ago

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kergonath 5y ago
You must be joking. Any sources to prop up that dubious assertion? How many mass shootings or bombings in the last 20 years in either Europe or North America were done by self-proclaimed communists?
- TeeMassive 5y ago
  Black Lives Matter, which by the admission of its own leaders is a Marxist organization, caused more than 2 billions dollars in insurance claims during the George Floyd protests. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/22/fact-check-thousands-black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested-2020/6816074001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/22/fac... https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/02/2020-protests-changed-insurance-forever/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/02/2020-protests-changed...
  - kergonath 5y ago
    Right. BLM has absolutely nothing to do with a Marxist organisation. How are they planning to seize industry, means of production, and institute a dictatorship of the proletariat? So no, they are not Marxist (note that them not being a Marxist organisation does not preclude some Marxist people to be part of it). “Marxist” is not a label you put on things you don’t like. Besides, the parent post mentioned “far more act of political violence and destruction”, which you did not address at all. Pointing out that one group did some material damage tells nothing if you don’t look at what the other did. The vast majority of terror events, both in the US and in Europe, are due to either white supremacists or Muslim fundamentalists. You can start with these sources. They cover 2 years, but you’ll have pointers for the rest of the last 2 decades: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremacists-rightwing-domestic-terror-2020 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremac... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/us/politics/domestic-terror-white-supremacists.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/us/politics/domestic-terr...