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The subject is Mars, not the conversation about Mars. And GP's comment is interesting. Consider that Earth, even after nuclear war, comet strike, caldera explo

The subject is Mars, not the conversation about Mars. And GP's comment is interesting. Consider that Earth, even after nuclear war, comet strike, caldera explosion, destroyed habitats, etc is still infinitely more habitable than Mars.

dylan604 5y ago
Mars is definitely dead, and nothing there within current human technical abilities to brink it back to life. Living underground or in airtight capsules is the only way of living on that planet. Which is pretty much the same thing that would happen on Earth in any of those doomsday events you suggested. The main threat to earth is uninhabitable atmosphere, so if we figured out how to reverse those changes, then perhaps we could reverse Venus' atmosphere. If that were possible, then we might actually have a second livable planet in our solar system.
Brian_K_White 5y ago
The post is about a curious discovery on Mars. The commenter joined the conversation about that discovery to say nothing other than that they don't find the topic interesing. There is no getting around the fundamental ignorance and offensiveness of that. My comment IS exactly about conversation not about Mars. It's about the curious but not at all uncommon phenomenon of joining a conversation for no other purpose but to tell everyone in it that you are not interested in it. My point is to point out that that is what they are doing when they do that, not merely adding their own perfectly valid opinion on a topic the same as anyone else's. It's uniquely invalid and offensive. It's walking down a hall, hearing a conversation behind one of the doors, stopping, entering the room, and announcing to everyone in that room "It's stupid to discuss this topic". Obviously, the ignoramus who does this doesn't realize that this is what they are doing. Obviously they think they are delivering a valuable observation and conclusion, or at least expressing their opinion which they are entitled to have and even to express. The problem is the context. They were not already in a conversation where something came up and their opinion was relevant. They were not specifically asked for their opinion like with a poll or an article that poses the question. They went out of their way to join a conversation in the first place for no other purpose than to say it's a pointless conversation. I am distilling their action to it's essense to expose just what they are actually doing, and lay bare the lack of any valid motivation for an action like that. You are supposed to see this, and understandably try to find a hole in it to save face, but then eventually when there turns out to be no way to avoid the essential facts after unpacking, realize that's what you're doing and maybe do it less. Or failing that (honestly, more likely, but at least they no longer have the excuse of ignorance), at least maybe some bystanders will be wiser to the phenomenon in the future an be better able to recognize a tool for what they are on first sight and not grant them the time of day by bothering to get into any arguments with them. IE, recognize that peculiar form of mental Turet's and thereby feel no attack from it, and feel no need to defend against it.

dylan604 5y ago

Mars is definitely dead, and nothing there within current human technical abilities to brink it back to life. Living underground or in airtight capsules is the only way of living on that planet. Which is pretty much the same thing that would happen on Earth in any of those doomsday events you suggested. The main threat to earth is uninhabitable atmosphere, so if we figured out how to reverse those changes, then perhaps we could reverse Venus' atmosphere. If that were possible, then we might actually have a second livable planet in our solar system.

Brian_K_White 5y ago

The post is about a curious discovery on Mars. The commenter joined the conversation about that discovery to say nothing other than that they don't find the topic interesing. There is no getting around the fundamental ignorance and offensiveness of that. My comment IS exactly about conversation not about Mars. It's about the curious but not at all uncommon phenomenon of joining a conversation for no other purpose but to tell everyone in it that you are not interested in it. My point is to point out that that is what they are doing when they do that, not merely adding their own perfectly valid opinion on a topic the same as anyone else's. It's uniquely invalid and offensive. It's walking down a hall, hearing a conversation behind one of the doors, stopping, entering the room, and announcing to everyone in that room "It's stupid to discuss this topic". Obviously, the ignoramus who does this doesn't realize that this is what they are doing. Obviously they think they are delivering a valuable observation and conclusion, or at least expressing their opinion which they are entitled to have and even to express. The problem is the context. They were not already in a conversation where something came up and their opinion was relevant. They were not specifically asked for their opinion like with a poll or an article that poses the question. They went out of their way to join a conversation in the first place for no other purpose than to say it's a pointless conversation. I am distilling their action to it's essense to expose just what they are actually doing, and lay bare the lack of any valid motivation for an action like that. You are supposed to see this, and understandably try to find a hole in it to save face, but then eventually when there turns out to be no way to avoid the essential facts after unpacking, realize that's what you're doing and maybe do it less. Or failing that (honestly, more likely, but at least they no longer have the excuse of ignorance), at least maybe some bystanders will be wiser to the phenomenon in the future an be better able to recognize a tool for what they are on first sight and not grant them the time of day by bothering to get into any arguments with them. IE, recognize that peculiar form of mental Turet's and thereby feel no attack from it, and feel no need to defend against it.