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Which websites are these exactly? And who is this "west"? Which country has blocked what? Russia objected to Facebook fact checking and labelling (not removing

Which websites are these exactly? And who is this "west"? Which country has blocked what? Russia objected to Facebook fact checking and labelling (not removing) Russian state media posts. The Russian regulator (Roskomnadzor) has said it has "restricted" Facebook access in retaliation.

foverzar 5y ago
> Russia objected to Facebook fact checking and labelling (not removing) Russian state media posts False. Facebook had applied restictions on the pages of these media for 90 days and ignored regulators demands to explain and lift these restrictions. That was the reason for RKN take action, not the "fact checking". Source (use google translate): https://tjournal.ru/news/542107-facebook-nalozhil-ogranicheniya-na-stranicy-rt-zvezdy-i-ria-novosti-za-feykovye-soobshcheniya-o-voennoy-operacii-rossii https://tjournal.ru/news/542107-facebook-nalozhil-ogranichen... On a side note, I find the idea of "fact checking" reports on current military events, while having no actual unbiased sources, but only a huge torrent of potential misinformation, to be completely ridiculous. No one has actual facts right now.
- IMSAI8080 5y ago
  Ah yes, a nice reliable Russian link. That's not what Facebook said in their statement: "Sir Nick Clegg, vice-president of global affairs at Meta, said Russian authorities "ordered us to stop the independent fact-checking and labelling" the outlets' content." "We refused," he said.
  - foverzar 5y ago
    Reliable enough to convey what Russians have to say for themselves. Besides, TJ is more of a blogging platform. I wouldn't trust an opinion of a (wannabe) journalist, but this particular article simply provides all the references and the auther doesn't push their opinion. As for whom you would consider a more reliable source of the regulator's demands: the regulator itself, or a Facebook executive ex-politician -- is obviously entirely up to you.
    - IMSAI8080 5y ago
      So a Putin controlled government agency on a website under the control of the same agency and during a war. Yes, obviously the most reliable source of information. Dream on.
      - foverzar 5y ago
        > on a website under the control of the same agency Your image of the situation is unrealistic.
        IMSAI8080 5y ago
        No, it is demonstrably you who is completely deluded. Try some reliable news sources instead of Putin controlled "media" for once.
        foverzar 5y ago
        Look, this is rediculous. Let's just break down what's happening, I am really curious how your logic works: 1. Bob makes a demand, making a press release 2. Alice reports on the demand 3. You claim that Alice is more trustworthy than Bob himself in relaying Bob's demands -- how is that supposed to work? You realise that this is literaly gaslighting? > Try some reliable news sources instead of Putin controlled "media" for once Oh please, stop acting like you are not the one who is in an information bubble. Your news sources are only "reliable" because you virtually can't (actually, just don't want to) verify any of this. Your "for once" makes it evident that you are assuming that we don't read your "reliable" news sources, but that's not the case, dude. What you don't realise is that Russian see this clash between Western media, Russian media and an objective reality, which makes us live in an atmosphere of radical skepticism as we can see the post-truth politics from each side. This actually made me realise that you probably don't even percieve media as we do. You probably just take journalist's opinion at face value, percieving it as a final instance of truth. Where as I couldn't care less for an opinion and am only interested in references and sources (like actual sources, not relays), so that I can research the topic myself. I will reiterate, your perception of Russian media is unrealistic, as you haven't ever actually interacted with any of it. Otherwise, you just wouldn't be talking of "Putin controlled media" over some blog post. It's just not how it works in real life, dude.

foverzar 5y ago

> Russia objected to Facebook fact checking and labelling (not removing) Russian state media posts False. Facebook had applied restictions on the pages of these media for 90 days and ignored regulators demands to explain and lift these restrictions. That was the reason for RKN take action, not the "fact checking". Source (use google translate): https://tjournal.ru/news/542107-facebook-nalozhil-ogranicheniya-na-stranicy-rt-zvezdy-i-ria-novosti-za-feykovye-soobshcheniya-o-voennoy-operacii-rossii https://tjournal.ru/news/542107-facebook-nalozhil-ogranichen... On a side note, I find the idea of "fact checking" reports on current military events, while having no actual unbiased sources, but only a huge torrent of potential misinformation, to be completely ridiculous. No one has actual facts right now.

IMSAI8080 5y ago
Ah yes, a nice reliable Russian link. That's not what Facebook said in their statement: "Sir Nick Clegg, vice-president of global affairs at Meta, said Russian authorities "ordered us to stop the independent fact-checking and labelling" the outlets' content." "We refused," he said.
- foverzar 5y ago
  Reliable enough to convey what Russians have to say for themselves. Besides, TJ is more of a blogging platform. I wouldn't trust an opinion of a (wannabe) journalist, but this particular article simply provides all the references and the auther doesn't push their opinion. As for whom you would consider a more reliable source of the regulator's demands: the regulator itself, or a Facebook executive ex-politician -- is obviously entirely up to you.
  - IMSAI8080 5y ago
    So a Putin controlled government agency on a website under the control of the same agency and during a war. Yes, obviously the most reliable source of information. Dream on.
    - foverzar 5y ago
      > on a website under the control of the same agency Your image of the situation is unrealistic.
      - IMSAI8080 5y ago
        No, it is demonstrably you who is completely deluded. Try some reliable news sources instead of Putin controlled "media" for once.
        foverzar 5y ago
        Look, this is rediculous. Let's just break down what's happening, I am really curious how your logic works: 1. Bob makes a demand, making a press release 2. Alice reports on the demand 3. You claim that Alice is more trustworthy than Bob himself in relaying Bob's demands -- how is that supposed to work? You realise that this is literaly gaslighting? > Try some reliable news sources instead of Putin controlled "media" for once Oh please, stop acting like you are not the one who is in an information bubble. Your news sources are only "reliable" because you virtually can't (actually, just don't want to) verify any of this. Your "for once" makes it evident that you are assuming that we don't read your "reliable" news sources, but that's not the case, dude. What you don't realise is that Russian see this clash between Western media, Russian media and an objective reality, which makes us live in an atmosphere of radical skepticism as we can see the post-truth politics from each side. This actually made me realise that you probably don't even percieve media as we do. You probably just take journalist's opinion at face value, percieving it as a final instance of truth. Where as I couldn't care less for an opinion and am only interested in references and sources (like actual sources, not relays), so that I can research the topic myself. I will reiterate, your perception of Russian media is unrealistic, as you haven't ever actually interacted with any of it. Otherwise, you just wouldn't be talking of "Putin controlled media" over some blog post. It's just not how it works in real life, dude.