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To be expected, the West has already started doing the same thing right now to websites that are seen as “promoting Russian propaganda” or such. There’s an Inte

To be expected, the West has already started doing the same thing right now to websites that are seen as “promoting Russian propaganda” or such. There’s an Internet Wall that is being hastily put in place right at this moment, it’s quite interesting if you try to look at it from a neutral position.

the_mitsuhiko 5y ago
What precisely is “the west” doing with the Internet in response to this conflict right now?
- paganel 5y ago
  A couple of websites that were seen as relaying Russian propaganda have been taken down in Moldova, whose president is a darling of the Western regimes. Those websites (in Romanian) were mainly targeting the Romanian audience (from where I’m from), a NATO and EU member. Plus, at a more general level there’s the whole debacle of blocking RT (I know about the United Kingdom, maybe Germany, also, not sure).
city17 5y ago
False equivalence. There's a big difference between blocking state-owned media that are direct propaganda tools (e.g. RT, although I don't think they're actually being blocked anyway) and blocking a general social media platform that has opinions from all sides on it.
- foverzar 5y ago
  I don't suppose the structural equivalence actually makes sence here. In practice, there is simply no need to block russian social media as no one actually cares about russian social media, beside Russians and people from other CIS countries, like Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine (AFAIK, Ukraine actually blocks quite a lot of large ru-net sites, both social media and news outlets). It would be an honest comparisson if e.g. Telegram gets more popular in the West and there would be actual temptation to pressure it. We actually already see the first signs of it in Germany, where anti-lockdown protestors are using Telegram and the government doesn't like it. And remember what had happened to TikTok as soon as it became massively popular? It was forced to surrender and get sold without a second thought.
- rosmax_1337 5y ago
  Twitter is not: > a general social media platform that has opinions from all sides on it. Platforms like that exist, but are generally called despicable by people because of the multitude of generally supressed voices that are heard on platforms like that. Neither is Youtube, or Facebook. Ever since 2015 and 2017 dissident voices in the west have been banned from all these platforms.
3np 5y ago
Source?
- Dma54rhs 5y ago
  Not sure what parent poster meant but eastern Europe countries are doing it. Also not sure if it's considered West by you. Germany blocked RT as well months ago and Russia retaliated by banning Deutche Welle.
IMSAI8080 5y ago
Which websites are these exactly? And who is this "west"? Which country has blocked what? Russia objected to Facebook fact checking and labelling (not removing) Russian state media posts. The Russian regulator (Roskomnadzor) has said it has "restricted" Facebook access in retaliation.
- foverzar 5y ago
  > Russia objected to Facebook fact checking and labelling (not removing) Russian state media posts False. Facebook had applied restictions on the pages of these media for 90 days and ignored regulators demands to explain and lift these restrictions. That was the reason for RKN take action, not the "fact checking". Source (use google translate): https://tjournal.ru/news/542107-facebook-nalozhil-ogranicheniya-na-stranicy-rt-zvezdy-i-ria-novosti-za-feykovye-soobshcheniya-o-voennoy-operacii-rossii https://tjournal.ru/news/542107-facebook-nalozhil-ogranichen... On a side note, I find the idea of "fact checking" reports on current military events, while having no actual unbiased sources, but only a huge torrent of potential misinformation, to be completely ridiculous. No one has actual facts right now.
  - IMSAI8080 5y ago
    Ah yes, a nice reliable Russian link. That's not what Facebook said in their statement: "Sir Nick Clegg, vice-president of global affairs at Meta, said Russian authorities "ordered us to stop the independent fact-checking and labelling" the outlets' content." "We refused," he said.
    - foverzar 5y ago
      Reliable enough to convey what Russians have to say for themselves. Besides, TJ is more of a blogging platform. I wouldn't trust an opinion of a (wannabe) journalist, but this particular article simply provides all the references and the auther doesn't push their opinion. As for whom you would consider a more reliable source of the regulator's demands: the regulator itself, or a Facebook executive ex-politician -- is obviously entirely up to you.

the_mitsuhiko 5y ago

What precisely is “the west” doing with the Internet in response to this conflict right now?

paganel 5y ago
A couple of websites that were seen as relaying Russian propaganda have been taken down in Moldova, whose president is a darling of the Western regimes. Those websites (in Romanian) were mainly targeting the Romanian audience (from where I’m from), a NATO and EU member. Plus, at a more general level there’s the whole debacle of blocking RT (I know about the United Kingdom, maybe Germany, also, not sure).

city17 5y ago

False equivalence. There's a big difference between blocking state-owned media that are direct propaganda tools (e.g. RT, although I don't think they're actually being blocked anyway) and blocking a general social media platform that has opinions from all sides on it.

foverzar 5y ago
I don't suppose the structural equivalence actually makes sence here. In practice, there is simply no need to block russian social media as no one actually cares about russian social media, beside Russians and people from other CIS countries, like Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine (AFAIK, Ukraine actually blocks quite a lot of large ru-net sites, both social media and news outlets). It would be an honest comparisson if e.g. Telegram gets more popular in the West and there would be actual temptation to pressure it. We actually already see the first signs of it in Germany, where anti-lockdown protestors are using Telegram and the government doesn't like it. And remember what had happened to TikTok as soon as it became massively popular? It was forced to surrender and get sold without a second thought.
rosmax_1337 5y ago
Twitter is not: > a general social media platform that has opinions from all sides on it. Platforms like that exist, but are generally called despicable by people because of the multitude of generally supressed voices that are heard on platforms like that. Neither is Youtube, or Facebook. Ever since 2015 and 2017 dissident voices in the west have been banned from all these platforms.

3np 5y ago

Source?

Dma54rhs 5y ago
Not sure what parent poster meant but eastern Europe countries are doing it. Also not sure if it's considered West by you. Germany blocked RT as well months ago and Russia retaliated by banning Deutche Welle.

IMSAI8080 5y ago

Which websites are these exactly? And who is this "west"? Which country has blocked what? Russia objected to Facebook fact checking and labelling (not removing) Russian state media posts. The Russian regulator (Roskomnadzor) has said it has "restricted" Facebook access in retaliation.

foverzar 5y ago
> Russia objected to Facebook fact checking and labelling (not removing) Russian state media posts False. Facebook had applied restictions on the pages of these media for 90 days and ignored regulators demands to explain and lift these restrictions. That was the reason for RKN take action, not the "fact checking". Source (use google translate): https://tjournal.ru/news/542107-facebook-nalozhil-ogranicheniya-na-stranicy-rt-zvezdy-i-ria-novosti-za-feykovye-soobshcheniya-o-voennoy-operacii-rossii https://tjournal.ru/news/542107-facebook-nalozhil-ogranichen... On a side note, I find the idea of "fact checking" reports on current military events, while having no actual unbiased sources, but only a huge torrent of potential misinformation, to be completely ridiculous. No one has actual facts right now.
- IMSAI8080 5y ago
  Ah yes, a nice reliable Russian link. That's not what Facebook said in their statement: "Sir Nick Clegg, vice-president of global affairs at Meta, said Russian authorities "ordered us to stop the independent fact-checking and labelling" the outlets' content." "We refused," he said.
  - foverzar 5y ago
    Reliable enough to convey what Russians have to say for themselves. Besides, TJ is more of a blogging platform. I wouldn't trust an opinion of a (wannabe) journalist, but this particular article simply provides all the references and the auther doesn't push their opinion. As for whom you would consider a more reliable source of the regulator's demands: the regulator itself, or a Facebook executive ex-politician -- is obviously entirely up to you.