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I have the minority opinion here: I thought the music was interesting, and love the hierarchy of models for generating music given latent random seed vectors an
by mark_l_watson 5y ago
I have the minority opinion here: I thought the music was interesting, and love the hierarchy of models for generating music given latent random seed vectors and adding the extra layer of models to simulate DJs, under a layer of a human DJ. I once built and worked on a model to generate spreadsheet data given example data using a GAN (generated spreadsheet data could be used to train models that were accurate when tested against real data - that whole experience was an eye opener for me). The architecture of this system is more complex and much cooler than what I did.
I also look at this system as a solid indicator of how humans will interact with AI systems in the future: we will lightly affect and guide automated systems with an internal complexity way beyond what we can understand. There used to be an expression “a human in the loop” and I don’t think this expression really describes future AI/human interactions.
- Jeff_Brown 5y agoMusical complexity is hard to judge, and the relationship between complexity and "sounding good" is evasive. Consider Satie's Gnossienne #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFVGwGQcB0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFVGwGQcB0 It's ... simple, right? It's just a few really good choices in an unbelievably enormous nearly-Hilbert space. I could listen to that stuff forever. Most of Nirvana's songs have a similar quality. Judging from where OpenAI Jukebox was a couple years ago, I imagine in a decade we might have AI that sounds as good as Nirvana. On the other hand, my favorite piece ever is Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. We seem to be very far away from any kind of Stravinsky algorithm.
- mark_l_watson 5y agoHa! I grew up listening to Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, my Dad loved it. And yes, it will be a while before any combination of DL models can write something as touching as Gnossienne, or ‘simple’ Bach stuff that I love like Jesu Joy of Man;s Desire.
- Jeff_Brown 5y agoBach is a good example of music that's both simple and complex. He'll take a few (often just one) fairly simple theme, and weave variations of it into a lush fabric that's coherent and natural (yet always surprising) -- the nearest thing to justice one finds in music.
- dukeofdoom 5y agoI saw a video with a guy analyzing how well Elvis could play guitar. And ultimately arrives at the conclusion "well enough to express himself musically". Elvis's guitar playing in the video below is pretty simple cords. But it has a purpose. It matches the story he's telling through his music. It's like cinematic movie, the camera moves in a way to help tell the story. So not sure if AI will get there because does AI really understand what the story is. Being simple but purposeful beats complicated and pointless which all of electronic music seems like to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMkyIJ0g5sg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMkyIJ0g5sg Its like movie scene with a KONG FU FIGHT where the opponents puts on a wheelhouse show with impressive moves. But ultimately get knocked out with one simple effective counter punch when they clash. And ultimately you know who the real master always was.