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> Now not so good tidbit. Just few months ago we had a lot of people lured into Belarus by Lukashenko trying to come to Europe. Poland treated them really reall

by rapsey 5y ago

> Now not so good tidbit. Just few months ago we had a lot of people lured into Belarus by Lukashenko trying to come to Europe. Poland treated them really really poorly. Those people were from the middle east, pakistan, afghanistan and so on no? A big difference when it's your neighbor in need.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>Those people were from the middle east, pakistan, afghanistan and so on no? A big difference when it's your neighbor. There are many people from the Middle East living, studying and working in Poland, Hungary, Romania, Czechia, etc. without any issues. One for them is my dentist and another in engaged to one of my cousins and is studying medicine to become a doctor. The big difference is they came here legally and with money, studies, jobs or skills to support themselves, so the locals only have an issues with the illegal economic chancers trying to game the asylum and welfare systems, and nothing against people from the Middle East. Those welfare migrants usually end up in countries like Sweden or Germany anyway, where whatever is left of the middle class taxpayer, is "happy" to give away half their income to support them indefinitely, with the wishful thinking that they will eventually contribute to their economy, pension system, and reverse the declining birthrates. At least they were right about the latter.
someotherperson 5y ago
Also slightly different because in the Middle East, it's the Poles (and other pearl-clutching Europeans) that are over there arming and training the rebels, sending "peace keeping" forces, overthrowing governments and trying to partition their countries. It's not exactly a breakaway from the normal Western hypocrisy to see that they don't treat refugees from those countries well. What the Poles see when they look at Ukranians are the same thing that most of the anglosphere sees -- fair skinned Caucasians. That's why "everyone" cares and why this relatively uneventful situation is getting this amount of news coverage.
- b112 5y ago
  That's why "everyone" cares and why this relatively uneventful situation is getting this amount of news coverage You must know very little of history, to think coverage is only due to race. Show me another country with the same nuclear arsenal, or with the military might, invading countries this large, in a location which has started two world wars. Playing the race card is... weak.
  - someotherperson 5y ago
    > You must know very little of history, to think coverage is only due to race. Exclusively due to race. > Show me another country with the same nuclear arsenal, or with the military might, invading countries this large, in a location which has started two world wars Might as well say "show me another country also named Ukraine." How about Syria? Where Poland, specifically, sent its forces to train separatist rebel groups and had an airforce positioned to support the rebel offensives? Help me understand the difference, considering when refugees from Syria get to Poland they're rounded up, beaten up and expelled. > Playing the race card is... weak. Calling it weak helps skirt around the cognitive dissonance at seeing two tragedies, exactly the same barring ethnicity, and fabricating scenarios that justify one and disregard the other. The same people who are fascinated with what's happening in Ukraine are the same ones who had "Je suis Charlie" over their Facebook profile photos in 2015. They see fair skinned Europeans in crisis and their opinions change dramatically. This is an extension of missing white woman syndrome[0] and part of the training the Western world receives as children to disregard the suffering of non-anglophone and non-Europeans. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome
    - b112 5y ago
      You're missing the whole point. The conflicts are not even remotely the same. If Poland invade the Ukraine, most people wouldn't be 1/10th as interested. It is almost like you have no grasp of the history of NATO, the USSR, two world wars, nuclear weapons, and the power to deploy military might. Can rebels in Syria destroy the entire planet with nukes? Can a conflict in Syria cause all NATO nations to be pulled into mutual defense agreements? Quite literally, this single act of Russia's could have the potential result of turning entire planet into ash, or dragging 100 countries to war, or seeing a new empire carved out. And I haven't even discussed China's role in all of this, current and future. This invasion, this single act, could result in billions dying. But sure, it's all just about race.

by rapsey 5y ago

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>Those people were from the middle east, pakistan, afghanistan and so on no? A big difference when it's your neighbor. There are many people from the Middle East living, studying and working in Poland, Hungary, Romania, Czechia, etc. without any issues. One for them is my dentist and another in engaged to one of my cousins and is studying medicine to become a doctor. The big difference is they came here legally and with money, studies, jobs or skills to support themselves, so the locals only have an issues with the illegal economic chancers trying to game the asylum and welfare systems, and nothing against people from the Middle East. Those welfare migrants usually end up in countries like Sweden or Germany anyway, where whatever is left of the middle class taxpayer, is "happy" to give away half their income to support them indefinitely, with the wishful thinking that they will eventually contribute to their economy, pension system, and reverse the declining birthrates. At least they were right about the latter.

someotherperson 5y ago

Also slightly different because in the Middle East, it's the Poles (and other pearl-clutching Europeans) that are over there arming and training the rebels, sending "peace keeping" forces, overthrowing governments and trying to partition their countries. It's not exactly a breakaway from the normal Western hypocrisy to see that they don't treat refugees from those countries well. What the Poles see when they look at Ukranians are the same thing that most of the anglosphere sees -- fair skinned Caucasians. That's why "everyone" cares and why this relatively uneventful situation is getting this amount of news coverage.

b112 5y ago
That's why "everyone" cares and why this relatively uneventful situation is getting this amount of news coverage You must know very little of history, to think coverage is only due to race. Show me another country with the same nuclear arsenal, or with the military might, invading countries this large, in a location which has started two world wars. Playing the race card is... weak.
- someotherperson 5y ago
  > You must know very little of history, to think coverage is only due to race. Exclusively due to race. > Show me another country with the same nuclear arsenal, or with the military might, invading countries this large, in a location which has started two world wars Might as well say "show me another country also named Ukraine." How about Syria? Where Poland, specifically, sent its forces to train separatist rebel groups and had an airforce positioned to support the rebel offensives? Help me understand the difference, considering when refugees from Syria get to Poland they're rounded up, beaten up and expelled. > Playing the race card is... weak. Calling it weak helps skirt around the cognitive dissonance at seeing two tragedies, exactly the same barring ethnicity, and fabricating scenarios that justify one and disregard the other. The same people who are fascinated with what's happening in Ukraine are the same ones who had "Je suis Charlie" over their Facebook profile photos in 2015. They see fair skinned Europeans in crisis and their opinions change dramatically. This is an extension of missing white woman syndrome[0] and part of the training the Western world receives as children to disregard the suffering of non-anglophone and non-Europeans. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome
  - b112 5y ago
    You're missing the whole point. The conflicts are not even remotely the same. If Poland invade the Ukraine, most people wouldn't be 1/10th as interested. It is almost like you have no grasp of the history of NATO, the USSR, two world wars, nuclear weapons, and the power to deploy military might. Can rebels in Syria destroy the entire planet with nukes? Can a conflict in Syria cause all NATO nations to be pulled into mutual defense agreements? Quite literally, this single act of Russia's could have the potential result of turning entire planet into ash, or dragging 100 countries to war, or seeing a new empire carved out. And I haven't even discussed China's role in all of this, current and future. This invasion, this single act, could result in billions dying. But sure, it's all just about race.