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You are completely ignorant of the current status and history of Europe. An attempted invasion of Finland and Sweden would be an unambiguous declaration of war

by toxik 5y ago

You are completely ignorant of the current status and history of Europe. An attempted invasion of Finland and Sweden would be an unambiguous declaration of war on the European Union, there is no other interpretation. China would, no doubt, take such an opportunity to move on its military goals (eg Taiwan). It would mark the beginning of a third world war. If you don't even believe that the EU would defend its own territory, well, you are just simply insane.

belter 5y ago
Its not a question of being insane. It's different if you can have your boys back in body bags. You forgot this is the second war in European territory after the Yugoslavian wars. For months Sarajevo was being shelled and nothing was done until the US decided it was time to bomb. The Netherlands had a full battalion protecting a Bosnian enclave and let 7000 men be killed in front of their eyes. The Dutch government was not willing to order an air strike to protect their own troops. Unless it's NATO, I guarantee you, nothing will be done. They are not even willing to cut gas import from Russia....
- toxik 5y ago
  The Balkan situation was much more similar to what's going on in Ukraine right now, there was really no immediate threat to the rest of Europe. Invading especially Sweden is completely different in this regard. If Sweden, why not Denmark, the Baltics, etc. Finland is unique as it has historically been both Swedish and Russian territory, and borders both, but it is still nowhere near as ambiguous as Ukraine. There will be no breakaway provinces in Finland like Donetsk and Luhansk, there was no mass movement of Russian nationals to Finland during Soviet times as there was throughout the Soviet union. There is very little footing for Russian sentiment in Finland, and Finnish culture is at its core defined by the atrocities committed in the Civil War following the fall of the Tzar, and later the Winter War and Continuation Wars with the Soviet Union. Wars with Russia is part of Finnish DNA. It is just a completely different situation to what goes on in the former east bloc.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > You forgot this is the second war in European territory after the Yugoslavian wars. Yugoslavia wasn't a member of the EU.

by toxik 5y ago

belter 5y ago

Its not a question of being insane. It's different if you can have your boys back in body bags. You forgot this is the second war in European territory after the Yugoslavian wars. For months Sarajevo was being shelled and nothing was done until the US decided it was time to bomb. The Netherlands had a full battalion protecting a Bosnian enclave and let 7000 men be killed in front of their eyes. The Dutch government was not willing to order an air strike to protect their own troops. Unless it's NATO, I guarantee you, nothing will be done. They are not even willing to cut gas import from Russia....

toxik 5y ago
The Balkan situation was much more similar to what's going on in Ukraine right now, there was really no immediate threat to the rest of Europe. Invading especially Sweden is completely different in this regard. If Sweden, why not Denmark, the Baltics, etc. Finland is unique as it has historically been both Swedish and Russian territory, and borders both, but it is still nowhere near as ambiguous as Ukraine. There will be no breakaway provinces in Finland like Donetsk and Luhansk, there was no mass movement of Russian nationals to Finland during Soviet times as there was throughout the Soviet union. There is very little footing for Russian sentiment in Finland, and Finnish culture is at its core defined by the atrocities committed in the Civil War following the fall of the Tzar, and later the Winter War and Continuation Wars with the Soviet Union. Wars with Russia is part of Finnish DNA. It is just a completely different situation to what goes on in the former east bloc.
CRConrad 5y ago
> You forgot this is the second war in European territory after the Yugoslavian wars. Yugoslavia wasn't a member of the EU.