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> unless a lot of us have time together somehow Yes, let's do this. Let's get together and create new, more humane standards. Get involved with an educational/

> unless a lot of us have time together somehow Yes, let's do this. Let's get together and create new, more humane standards. Get involved with an educational/cultural copyleft non-profit like Framasoft, a legal/lobbying organization like LQDN/EFF, a local hosting cooperative that provides GAFAM alternatives with a sustainable model (libreho.st/chatons.org networks), a local self-organized/DIY ISP (guifi.net/ffdn.org/freifunk.net networks), a self-organized FLOSS coop, etc.

ddingus 5y ago
Some of those links are new to me. That aside, yes! In my view, right now those of us able to do what just happened here need to continue. More will pick up on the, to us all too obvious dark patterns... What to do in order to have this aspect of tech make better sense, augment, empower, add value, serve, rather than enslave, exploit, diminish, create dependence, is going to be the product of discussions we will not have, unless enough of us arrive at this all being an priority and understand the time is now, ish. New law, and in that place where tech, law and society collide. We are the ones, and we are because many remember times before all this, many may know nothing, this being all they have known. It is the timing, mix of perspectives, newness of the tech and more which make this time special. We go too long and the inflection points may just evaporate... A very similar thing happened with labor, resulting in the likes of the New Deal, by way of what I am trying (poorly, I feel) to get at here. When we attempt solutions, those form a basis to build on and momentum to get it right, and have it work better for everyone. That matters. The law is well behind, like we are leaving a "wild west" kind of time and that exit could have us see far worse before people move to address it. Or, it all could go better, sooner too. I agree! Getting involved matters. Sharing it, particularly among "normies", who sense real trouble,,but do not understand well enough for that momentum to build matters too. Great comment. Wish I had more and better answers. They will come as more of us seek them and amplify the good potential more than we currently amplify the growing bad.

ddingus 5y ago

Some of those links are new to me. That aside, yes! In my view, right now those of us able to do what just happened here need to continue. More will pick up on the, to us all too obvious dark patterns... What to do in order to have this aspect of tech make better sense, augment, empower, add value, serve, rather than enslave, exploit, diminish, create dependence, is going to be the product of discussions we will not have, unless enough of us arrive at this all being an priority and understand the time is now, ish. New law, and in that place where tech, law and society collide. We are the ones, and we are because many remember times before all this, many may know nothing, this being all they have known. It is the timing, mix of perspectives, newness of the tech and more which make this time special. We go too long and the inflection points may just evaporate... A very similar thing happened with labor, resulting in the likes of the New Deal, by way of what I am trying (poorly, I feel) to get at here. When we attempt solutions, those form a basis to build on and momentum to get it right, and have it work better for everyone. That matters. The law is well behind, like we are leaving a "wild west" kind of time and that exit could have us see far worse before people move to address it. Or, it all could go better, sooner too. I agree! Getting involved matters. Sharing it, particularly among "normies", who sense real trouble,,but do not understand well enough for that momentum to build matters too. Great comment. Wish I had more and better answers. They will come as more of us seek them and amplify the good potential more than we currently amplify the growing bad.