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Newly published 9/11 footage [video]
- melling 5y agoWe see the plane around 2:05.
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- m348e912 5y agoIt's crazy that someone sat on the footage for 21 years and it just got made public now. Makes you wonder what else other footage or details are out there that has yet to be shared online.
- mbustamanter 5y agoIt's hard to believe, but new media of the September 11 attacks (and the towers before) comes out all the time. This includes rare pictures and videos. There are YouTube channels [0] specifically dedicated to finding music played on the plaza (muzak), partly inspired by Jack Taliercio's video [1], where you can hear songs being played while the attacks went down. Other channels have more mainstream videos (FOIA, NIST) but all of them were digitally enhanced [2], [3]. Other channels have pictures found online [4], but mainly the pictures can be found in recent subreddits [5], [6] where they also collect pictures of the inside of the towers, the other buildings of the complex and even the bridges between them. There is also a Flight 11 impact video with some recordings that were never quite known [7], although the first everyone has already seen. Caveat: some of the channel's owners seem to be conspiratorial, but the majority of the videos are unedited. You'll be surprised how specific some of the footage is. [0] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFlhobtX9IHvXM0h1LcqaA/featured https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFlhobtX9IHvXM0h1LcqaA/fea... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdfqEYITTm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdfqEYITTm8 [2] https://www.youtube.com/c/WTCFOIAVideos https://www.youtube.com/c/WTCFOIAVideos [3] https://www.youtube.com/c/MrKoenig1985/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/MrKoenig1985/videos [4] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEpgWCL0UfhN1gwxAWpAo5A/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEpgWCL0UfhN1gwxAWpAo5A/vid... [5] https://www.reddit.com/r/TwinTowersInPhotos/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TwinTowersInPhotos/ [6] https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldTradeCenter/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldTradeCenter/ [7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtWcQRCPkKk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtWcQRCPkKk
- Invictus0 5y agoAfter all these years, I've still never seen a video of the Pentagon impact. Has anything come out for that?
- mbustamanter 5y agoI personally don't know if there ever was a video of the impact other than that of the security camera [0]. I think of two reasons: the Pentagon is not NY, which is a highly populated area in a developed country, it's natural that so many people were filming. Even more so, the Twin Towers were cultural icons. I don't know if many people were around the Pentagon, but I have read about witnesses of the crash in DC. The other reason would be that they don't want to release it and it's understandable. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon#11_September_2001_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon#11_September_2001...
- TacticalCoder 5y agoSome 3 letters agency (FBI?) immediately raided all the nearby places that could have had cams and seized everything. I'm pretty sure that it's documented: IIRC footage from a petrol station nearby was confiscated. I was there (at the time, in front of my TV I mean) and I clearly remember the first witnesses being interviewed by reporters: as soon as a witness would say something not fitting the official narrative, it would never be aired again. For example regarding the pentagon one eye-witness said he saw something like a big missile on which wings had been strapped. I saw that on TV. I clearly remember it. Now I'm not saying it's not a Boeing that hit the Pentagon: what I'm saying is that it's very weird that all these ramblings from these drunkards mistaking, say, a Boeing with a "missile with wings strapped on it" were basically aired once then erased. I'm pretty sure that guy was both drunk and of course because the plane was going fast, the mistake was made in honest faith (you, too, would certainly mistake a Boeing for a missile with wings strapped on it). Same thing with people saying they heard explosions in the WTC: as soon as they'd mention that, they'd be cut off by reporters and these people would never be interviewed again and their account never aired again (FWIW I don't believe in a controlled demolition but I do believe in narrative manipulation). After these oddities of course we all know totally normal things then happened: for example IIRC one the rare flight that was allowed to happen when no plane were flying in the US was a flight evacuating members of the Bin Laden family. And then the wars that followed. Made perfect sense. No fabricated evidence. Guantanamo and the like: all perfectly cromulent. When you take all this, honestly that we don't have any footage of that impact just seems on par for the course.
- kungito 5y agois there anything new?
- jack_newmann 5y agoThe footage? Yes The attack? No
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- hackernewds 5y agowhat is the two minute papers connection here?
- abel_ 5y agoWhile progress has been made in computer vision, that progress has been relatively narrow up until now, and I think the activation energy required to produce this level of quality would be more than it's worth. As others have mentioned, new footage comes out all the time. However, I agree with the sentiment. Someday, we will have a massive foundation model capable of producing any video with a little conditioning on text. But we don't currently have such a model. In some sense, we're still in the era of easily verifiable video, and this era might end someday soon.
- techdragon 5y agoDefinitely a new angle, but it’s also strange after so many years to find good footage like this. The random extra stuff at the end make it feel very genuinely “found an old miniDV tape with some footage of forgotten about.” But it’s also just really weird to hear people talking so clearly the moment after it happens. It’s preserved a slightly surreal moment of shock quite well.
- lovehashbrowns 5y agoThe two other videos that got posted alongside this one makes me think it was a "forgotten tape that just got digitized" type of deal. However, I can also see there being an element of trauma and just not wanting to revisit the footage on purpose. I know I have some pictures I never want to look at again, although nothing on this scale.
- techdragon 5y agoYeah, not wanting to revisit it fits with the “didn’t remove random other footage”, I can entirely understand them thinking “I’ll just uploaded it how it was because… I don’t want to think about trying to watch this again to edit it” It’s also surprisingly good quality too. I really was surprised at the zoom and focus on early into it. Gives me a distinct impression it was shot on what was probably quite a good portable video camera for the period.
- freedomben 5y agoI had a very similar video camera at the time. It was a surreal blast from the past, especially the slow frame by frame section.
- vmception 5y agoThere’s also that everyone born after that is 21 years old now or a teenager and could have just found it in the attic, or ask the adult if they have any footage right after the 9/11 lesson in their history class Plenty of children and sibling’s children around to find this and convince to post it
- smoyer 5y agoSomething that this angle shows (and that other footage I've seen hints at) is that the second plane would have missed the tower without a pretty serious turn in the last few seconds. That plane is screaming (we're used to a jet that size flying with it's flaps and landing gear down if (roughly) level at that altitude. This turn would have been higher than normal G forces!
- jedberg 5y agoI noticed that too. The second plane almost missed!
- themaninthedark 5y agoI was in high school, we tuned in and caught the second plane hitting the tower live. From the view that we saw and the turn it made I thought it was a smaller private plane at first.
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- TacticalCoder 5y agoI'll just say this: many here are convinced our AI overlords have landed and we'll soon all be out of jobs and deepfakes are undistinguishable from the real thing. So I'll say this: if you believe AI is advanced, then in 2022 it's not possible to take this video for granted and you have to take into account that all evidence surfacing from now may be deepfakes. I'm not saying they are: I'm saying you have to keep that in mind.
- zild3d 5y agoi have no doubt the mustache and essence of long island in the man he talks to is real
- kodah 5y agoPlease stop. I was in seventh grade when all this went down. It was around the time that they first started putting TVs in classrooms. The teacher flipped the channel to the news when it was announced that an accident occurred and a plane flew into the WTC. Then they kept coming live on TV. In subsequent days I listened to final phone calls between people and their families. The internet was so congested I could barely use it, and a huge part of that was because of services provided out of the WTC. It is well documented through declassified documents that were written two decades ago that these were Saudi nationals who had moved to America under the guise of learning to fly. They were aided by Al Qaeda and "happenstance" Saudi officials. Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi national, the leader, and one of the founding members of Al Qaeda. These are barebone facts. Please do not encourage further mythology around 9/11 - the kind of Loose Change-esque rhetoric that is obviously designed more for entertainment than actual productivity. 9/11 happened, everyone saw it, and a new angle isn't anything groundbreaking, therefore there's zero reason to fake it. It won't change our relationship with the Saudis, it won't bring us back into war, etc
- hondo77 5y ago> It was around the time that they first started putting TVs in classrooms. FYI, I attended an elementary school that had TVs in all the classrooms back in 1970.
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- rendall 5y agoBack in 2001/2002, I went to a series of seminars hosted by the artist Natalie Jeremijenko. One of the presenting artists had footage of the Pentagon attack, taken from a camera he had set up on the Potomac River. He refused to give anyone else access to it. "I want to think about how to best present this footage." he said. I still have never seen that footage again to this day, and the selfishness makes me angry whenever I think of it.
- napier 5y agoAsked them about it recently? If not, please do.
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- barneygale 5y agoIf the CIA/FBI wanted to make people think a plane had hit the pentagon, why wouldn't they just use a plane? This conspiracy theory is one of the dumbest.
- w0de0 5y agoThe frustration got the better of you, and so here you are responding in anger to foolishness on the internet! No matter, happens to all of us. Have some relevant comedy as a salve: https://youtu.be/5muY64Oyp10 https://youtu.be/5muY64Oyp10
- etherael 5y agoGov confiscated all footage of incident is not the same thing as because incident nature was x and they were conducting a coverup. (I have no idea if the footage was confiscated from all people, only that the footage from certain fixed nearby locations was confiscated, and have never seen any proof this was done because it was a coverup attempt.)
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- nobrains 5y agohttps://youtu.be/o6t31R4tI10?t=123 https://youtu.be/o6t31R4tI10?t=123 Second plane
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- davidmurdoch 5y agoThe "(2001)" makes it seem like this is a link to a video titled "Newly published 9/11 footage" that was posted in 2001. Maybe "Newly published 2001/09/11 footage" would be a better title?
- nmilo 5y agoAgreed, the (2001) is almost a little ridiculous---we all know 9/11 happened in 2001, and the year in the title is supposed to refer to publication date.
- mhb 5y agoYouTube doesn't have that image stabilization any more?
- Simon_O_Rourke 5y agoI was in NYC that week, visiting my in-laws, to be honest I've avoided watching this, because it's trauma is still raw, and viewing it again isn't going to provide any closure for me.
- mgdlbp 5y agoFascinating are the words of netizens of the time in guestbooks, forums, and homepages of sites large and small that have been immortalized in the Internet Archive [a]. The Internet Archive also has an extensive collection of televised news footage from ‑‑09‑11 and the following weeks; I'm often reminded by its prominent placement in the 'Video' section of their navbar. Ironically, both their original 9/11 web collection (assembled by the Library of Congress shortly after the event) and the related Pew reports on internet use following 9/11 are lost to time; remnants can only be found in the Wayback Machine [0]. For whatever reason, it was replaced with one apparently curated by the September 11 Museum around 2008 [1]. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20011014012316/http://september11.archive.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20011014012316/http://september1... [1] https://www.archive-it.org/collections/1029 https://www.archive-it.org/collections/1029 [a] an aside: I find the archived sites of schools (of all kinds) from the time particularly captivating. Perhaps the abridgement of time enhances their liminal nature. Or maybe it's the feeling of sincerity in guestbook messages and the personal homepages of students and staff.
- pcdoodle 5y agoSame pre impact flash is seen in this one as well (6:00).
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- throwaway5486nv 5y agoStructural engineers please explain how can a tall concrete building collapse when hit in the middle?
- ceejayoz 5y agoBeen in a coma for two decades? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-structural-engineers-learned-from-9-11/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-structural-e... > The four sides of each building formed a tube with window slots This tube was designed to carry the weight of the building and its contents directly downward to the foundations. The walls acted as vertical beams, wide and tall as the buildings, that bent to the side to absorb wind loads. https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/world-trade-center-construction-unique.htm https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/wor... > Prior to the construction of the Twin Towers, skyscrapers were designed to support themselves through large internal columns spaced about 30 feet (9 meters) apart, which interrupted the flow of interior space. For this project however, the engineers came up with a different solution -- the exterior walls themselves would support the bulk of the structure, and they would get a boost from one single column of beams in the center. Make a big hole in the primary support structure and things go badly. (And before parroting the "jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" thing as a follow-up, watch this excellent and short video from a blacksmith: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA)
- ydnaclementine 5y agoShoutout to the guy at 2:45 who was able to immediately identify the second plane as a United plane
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- syspec 5y agoInteresting documentary, can you help explain the use of the term `neo liberal` here? I thought liberal meant progressive. Progressive as in more government safety nets
- EMIRELADERO 5y agoIn Latin America, "neoliberal" often means right-wing, Firedmanesque ideologies
- boomboomsubban 5y agoNeoliberalism is a spinoff ideology of liberalism, and to be fair your definition of "liberalism" is a warped version of what liberalism originally referred to. In short; Liberalism was an ideology centered on liberty and consent of the governed, generally used as the rallying cry in 19th century revolutions replacing the monarchys. Modern US liberalism is a form of social liberalism that is generally in favor of what you mentioned. Neoliberalism is generally an ideology promoting free market capitalism. Reagan is one of the great heroes of Neoliberalism.
- syspec 5y agoI appreciate the explanation, at the same time I can't help but feel that many people on the right refer to democrats as neoliberals as a pejorative. Is that just a misuse of the term, or is there more to it
- boomboomsubban 5y agoThe neoliberal ideology infects both parties, modern day democrats agree with much of Reaganomics. I'd be surprised if the right used it as a pejorative, though they may be misusing the term to apply to "new" liberalism, the social liberalism mentioned. A quick search of "neoliberal left" brings up things like the Jacobin and Noam Chomsky criticizing the left, not something like Breirtbart.
- pygar 5y agoThe word "terrorism" wasn't yet in the common vernacular. The people in the video were having a hard time articulating what they saw "That was a..dead on kill, he did it on purpose!".
- greenyoda 5y ago> The word "terrorism" wasn't yet in the common vernacular. The word "terrorism" has been in constant use in the media since the 1970s.