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You won't be able to get in via a normal VPN, because you need to be able to get past all the other geoblocking and such that will be in place. If I understand

by sjmm1989 5y ago

You won't be able to get in via a normal VPN, because you need to be able to get past all the other geoblocking and such that will be in place. If I understand correctly, you are going to need actual hardware setup in the country and remote into that instead. Of course you will be using a VPN connection to do this, and probably a proxy or two? Either or. Have fun folks.

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southerntofu 5y ago
> If I understand correctly, you are going to need actual hardware setup in the country and remote into that instead. This is precisely what a VPN does, and people in this thread have reported getting 200 instead of 418 when trying from a Russian/Kazakh VPN.
- sjmm1989 5y ago
  Yes, and no. Yes you are doing exactly that, but also no, because remoting into a physical machine and controlling the desktop remotely is not the same as using some vpn like nordvpn for instance to do your 'thing' on the internet, whatever it may be. This is akin to calling something like Magnet files and Torrent files the same thing. Yes they both use the same underlying programming for the most part. The same protocols, etc. But they both serve separate purposes while doing the same overall task in a different way. Again, both remote desktop and the usual vpn's that most people use, use a virtual private network to do their job; but VPN's as sold on the internet are not an exact 1:1 of what I am referring to. Remote Desktop is just one of the many functionalities of computers that uses a virtual private network to do its job. And as for that 200 code; that's cool. I guess I missed that particular comment when I was writing mine? Doesn't matter though, since ultimately my suggestion would have gotten them the exact same results ... or better... (Having physical hardware inside borderlines would be really nice to have, right? Imagine the possibilities if you can get a few trustable agents using it physically now and then too?)
  - southerntofu 5y ago
    I don't understand, do you suggest a VPN is not "physical hardware inside borderlines"? Or that you can't run your normal desktop entirely piped into the VPN just as if it were on the other side of the world (even transparently to the OS with router-level VPN)? Or something else entirely?
    - sjmm1989 5y ago
      Here, maybe having you read this will help, because you don't seem to understand it when I say it. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/remote/remote-desktop-services/clients/remote-desktop-allow-access https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/remote/remot... That's 'remoting in'. If you have some sort of hardware inside russia that you can perform this connection to, it will allow you to control that hardware as if you are holding the keyboard and mouse; but from afar. This is usually done through a network connection that uses a virtual private network, which is where I think you are getting confused with the commonly referred to VPN's today that are actually just a bunch of honey pots and M.I.T.M's. (Yes, even whatever VPN you think you trust and use. Unless you own that hardware yourself, it's compromised and you cannot trust that you aren't being logged/etc...) But, with that said... turns out NordVPN has a pretty good explanation you might understand better than listening to me. https://nordvpn.com/blog/vpn-vs-rdp/ https://nordvpn.com/blog/vpn-vs-rdp/ Here is the first paragraph: --------------------------- VPN vs. remote desktop Is a VPN the same as a remote desktop? No! They serve a similar function, but where a VPN gives you access to a secure network, RDP focuses on providing remote access to a specific computer. Both will (usually) encrypt your traffic in one way or another, and both will grant you private access to a server or device that might be thousands of miles away.

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southerntofu 5y ago

> If I understand correctly, you are going to need actual hardware setup in the country and remote into that instead. This is precisely what a VPN does, and people in this thread have reported getting 200 instead of 418 when trying from a Russian/Kazakh VPN.

sjmm1989 5y ago
Yes, and no. Yes you are doing exactly that, but also no, because remoting into a physical machine and controlling the desktop remotely is not the same as using some vpn like nordvpn for instance to do your 'thing' on the internet, whatever it may be. This is akin to calling something like Magnet files and Torrent files the same thing. Yes they both use the same underlying programming for the most part. The same protocols, etc. But they both serve separate purposes while doing the same overall task in a different way. Again, both remote desktop and the usual vpn's that most people use, use a virtual private network to do their job; but VPN's as sold on the internet are not an exact 1:1 of what I am referring to. Remote Desktop is just one of the many functionalities of computers that uses a virtual private network to do its job. And as for that 200 code; that's cool. I guess I missed that particular comment when I was writing mine? Doesn't matter though, since ultimately my suggestion would have gotten them the exact same results ... or better... (Having physical hardware inside borderlines would be really nice to have, right? Imagine the possibilities if you can get a few trustable agents using it physically now and then too?)
- southerntofu 5y ago
  I don't understand, do you suggest a VPN is not "physical hardware inside borderlines"? Or that you can't run your normal desktop entirely piped into the VPN just as if it were on the other side of the world (even transparently to the OS with router-level VPN)? Or something else entirely?
  - sjmm1989 5y ago
    Here, maybe having you read this will help, because you don't seem to understand it when I say it. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/remote/remote-desktop-services/clients/remote-desktop-allow-access https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/remote/remot... That's 'remoting in'. If you have some sort of hardware inside russia that you can perform this connection to, it will allow you to control that hardware as if you are holding the keyboard and mouse; but from afar. This is usually done through a network connection that uses a virtual private network, which is where I think you are getting confused with the commonly referred to VPN's today that are actually just a bunch of honey pots and M.I.T.M's. (Yes, even whatever VPN you think you trust and use. Unless you own that hardware yourself, it's compromised and you cannot trust that you aren't being logged/etc...) But, with that said... turns out NordVPN has a pretty good explanation you might understand better than listening to me. https://nordvpn.com/blog/vpn-vs-rdp/ https://nordvpn.com/blog/vpn-vs-rdp/ Here is the first paragraph: --------------------------- VPN vs. remote desktop Is a VPN the same as a remote desktop? No! They serve a similar function, but where a VPN gives you access to a secure network, RDP focuses on providing remote access to a specific computer. Both will (usually) encrypt your traffic in one way or another, and both will grant you private access to a server or device that might be thousands of miles away.