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This was... really not good. As anyone who's played around with a grid beatmaker, honestly almost anything you put in there kinda sounds good and groovy, yet ho

This was... really not good. As anyone who's played around with a grid beatmaker, honestly almost anything you put in there kinda sounds good and groovy, yet honestly most of the stuff there felt less good than average, no better than random.

nikanj 5y ago
The way to get good results from AI is letting it randomly generate stuff, then have a human pan for gold
- makapuf 5y ago
  You can say that with randomly generated content, or simple heuristics+random based content, it's not specific from AI
- Hendrikto 5y ago
  No, that‘s the way to get your paper published. Actually good AI systems produce convincing results without curation.
- CharlesW 5y ago
  I agree that the "AI as assistant" model is AI's sweet spot now and likely for the next few decades. This model is already common now in systems like Tesla's badly-named "Full-Self Driving" Autopilot, which Tesla itself notes "is a hands-on driver assistance system that is intended to be used only with a fully attentive driver". Similarly, "AI as creator" mostly leads to uninteresting outcomes. In contrast, "AI as creative assistant" will lead to actually-fascinating advances in the creative arts in the near future. AI will help creators think differently, and in turn, creators will weave good and/or interesting output into coherent, higher-quality pieces.
- scsilver 5y ago
  You can probably teach it to start producing higher gold/crap ratios with enough human planners training it?
rzzzt 5y ago
I assume you are talking about a less obscure app like Live, Bitwig, or FL Studio, but in case not: I vaguely remember a 90s Windows application (possibly shareware) that had a 3D pre-rendered UI with keys shown on screen that looked like a payphone's keypad. You could assign beatmatched loops and hits to any key and toggle or trigger them in a synchronized manner (either with the mouse of the physical keyboard). I had loads of fun as a kid recreating Music Instructor's archetypal/self-aware cliché dance song "Hymn" with it. Do you or anyone else know which software I'm talking about?
- NackerHughes 5y ago
  I doubt it was Future Beat 3D, but that's the only one I can think of right now that sounds like what you're describing.
  - rzzzt 5y ago
    Wow, either that was it, or one of its precursors by a different company, Beat 2000 (I found a review on Future Beat 3D that mentions it): https://archive.org/details/beat-2000 https://archive.org/details/beat-2000 I've been looking for it for quite a long time now, thanks!
  - caslon 5y ago
    Thank you for answering that, sincerely. You've knocked somebody's white whale out today, which is one of the most selfless things you can do. In doing so, you've probably freed up minutes or even hours of their thought for years to come.
- fransr 5y ago
  I'm not sure it's the same software but your comment made me remember Dance eJay ( https://youtu.be/b1PpXcC8Ik0 https://youtu.be/b1PpXcC8Ik0 ). It was distributed in Sweden in the 90s by a radio channel called NRJ, and I guess it was made like that in a few other countries in the EU. It was so much fun and those samples still bring back a lot of memories.
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graphpercolator 5y ago
Generative music is absolutely nothing new either. I have listened to so much generative music the last 25 years and there was one piano piece that was really good and something that felt like a unique style. Not good enough though that I even remember the name of the piece. Generative music is really no different than what you get when a human starts noodling around with music making software. It is almost literally the same process.
sillysaurusx 5y ago
I'm pretty proud of having created some good-sounding AI music. https://soundcloud.com/theshawwn/sets/ai-generated-videogame-music https://soundcloud.com/theshawwn/sets/ai-generated-videogame... I tried to make it in as many styles as possible. "Crossing The Channel" is a favorite, because the tempo is so unique. I think the GPT made a mistake early on, and then completed the most likely "not-mistake," which caused the piece to have some pretty unique timing. Maybe someday I'll dig up the model off my old laptop. I thought everyone would be making nice-sounding AI music, but I guess nobody can match a Gwern-trained model. He's the Hattori Hanzo of ML.

nikanj 5y ago

The way to get good results from AI is letting it randomly generate stuff, then have a human pan for gold

makapuf 5y ago
You can say that with randomly generated content, or simple heuristics+random based content, it's not specific from AI
Hendrikto 5y ago
No, that‘s the way to get your paper published. Actually good AI systems produce convincing results without curation.
CharlesW 5y ago
I agree that the "AI as assistant" model is AI's sweet spot now and likely for the next few decades. This model is already common now in systems like Tesla's badly-named "Full-Self Driving" Autopilot, which Tesla itself notes "is a hands-on driver assistance system that is intended to be used only with a fully attentive driver". Similarly, "AI as creator" mostly leads to uninteresting outcomes. In contrast, "AI as creative assistant" will lead to actually-fascinating advances in the creative arts in the near future. AI will help creators think differently, and in turn, creators will weave good and/or interesting output into coherent, higher-quality pieces.
scsilver 5y ago
You can probably teach it to start producing higher gold/crap ratios with enough human planners training it?

rzzzt 5y ago

I assume you are talking about a less obscure app like Live, Bitwig, or FL Studio, but in case not: I vaguely remember a 90s Windows application (possibly shareware) that had a 3D pre-rendered UI with keys shown on screen that looked like a payphone's keypad. You could assign beatmatched loops and hits to any key and toggle or trigger them in a synchronized manner (either with the mouse of the physical keyboard). I had loads of fun as a kid recreating Music Instructor's archetypal/self-aware cliché dance song "Hymn" with it. Do you or anyone else know which software I'm talking about?

NackerHughes 5y ago
I doubt it was Future Beat 3D, but that's the only one I can think of right now that sounds like what you're describing.
- rzzzt 5y ago
  Wow, either that was it, or one of its precursors by a different company, Beat 2000 (I found a review on Future Beat 3D that mentions it): https://archive.org/details/beat-2000 https://archive.org/details/beat-2000 I've been looking for it for quite a long time now, thanks!
- caslon 5y ago
  Thank you for answering that, sincerely. You've knocked somebody's white whale out today, which is one of the most selfless things you can do. In doing so, you've probably freed up minutes or even hours of their thought for years to come.
fransr 5y ago
I'm not sure it's the same software but your comment made me remember Dance eJay ( https://youtu.be/b1PpXcC8Ik0 https://youtu.be/b1PpXcC8Ik0 ). It was distributed in Sweden in the 90s by a radio channel called NRJ, and I guess it was made like that in a few other countries in the EU. It was so much fun and those samples still bring back a lot of memories.
- 5y ago

graphpercolator 5y ago

Generative music is absolutely nothing new either. I have listened to so much generative music the last 25 years and there was one piano piece that was really good and something that felt like a unique style. Not good enough though that I even remember the name of the piece. Generative music is really no different than what you get when a human starts noodling around with music making software. It is almost literally the same process.

sillysaurusx 5y ago

I'm pretty proud of having created some good-sounding AI music. https://soundcloud.com/theshawwn/sets/ai-generated-videogame-music https://soundcloud.com/theshawwn/sets/ai-generated-videogame... I tried to make it in as many styles as possible. "Crossing The Channel" is a favorite, because the tempo is so unique. I think the GPT made a mistake early on, and then completed the most likely "not-mistake," which caused the piece to have some pretty unique timing. Maybe someday I'll dig up the model off my old laptop. I thought everyone would be making nice-sounding AI music, but I guess nobody can match a Gwern-trained model. He's the Hattori Hanzo of ML.