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Handing out AK-47 to everyone without even recording who got a weapon is outright irresponsible. Without training or any kind of command you will get yesterdays

by fuoqi 5y ago

Handing out AK-47 to everyone without even recording who got a weapon is outright irresponsible. Without training or any kind of command you will get yesterdays civilians killing other civilians. We already have seen how "territorial defense forces" have shot a family of five (two parents, two girls, and one boy; only two kids have survived) who tried to flee from Kiev. Who knows how many of those 60 diversants reported by Kiev are truly Russian forces and not Ukrainians killed in friendly fire.

stjohnswarts 5y ago
They didn't exactly have a lot of time to form a committee and design a proper gun database and licensing process. They just wanted to kill some invaders.
urthor 5y ago
They don't give a shit. Realistically, in a conflict, anyone who cannot materially contribute to the conflict is a liability. Every single military, the world over, is heavily trained to ignore civilian casualties. As long as it's not a militarily significant asset, their training is to not care about it. Handing out AK-47s increases the number of military assets. The cost doesn't show up on the military asset balance sheet.
- dash2 5y ago
  > Every single military, the world over, is heavily trained to ignore civilian casualties. This sounds extremely implausible.
- cryptonector 5y ago
  People, ideas, material -- in that order! -col. John Boyd
filoleg 5y ago
> Handing out AK-47 to everyone without even recording who got a weapon is outright irresponsible "Mr. Miroshnichenko [the head of international affairs for the Territorial Defense Force of Ukraine] turned aside any concerns over arming a civilian population in the capital’s streets, saying that each weapon’s serial number was attached to a passport."[0] While your concern about training remains, they definitely recorded who got weapons. And also keep in mind that Ukraine, the entire time, had mandatory conscription of all males, where they definitely learned the basics of handling a firearm. And plus, I am sorry, but there are certain situations when concern over proper training takes a backseat, and this feels like one of them. 0. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/25/world/russia-ukraine-war#armed-with-assault-rifles-civilian-volunteers-prepare-to-defend-kyiv https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/25/world/russia-ukraine...
- fuoqi 5y ago
  I prefer to trust my eyes and ears: https://t.me/SergeyKolyasnikov/22500 https://t.me/SergeyKolyasnikov/22500 In this video he literally says that weapons are given without any documents whatsoever.
  - filoleg 5y ago
    So, some random bystander person says in a video posted on Telegram that they are giving out weapons without documents, while the actual military official in charge says that they tie serial numbers to passports. Not trying to say that the officials never lie, but the level of credibility of those two claims is tilting heavily towards the military official for me. And regardless, that specific point isn't really a concern (to me personally) when it comes to literally having to defend livelihood of your family and the city against an invading force.
  - notch656a 5y ago
    Why don't you go tell them they're doing wrong yourself? They're probably not reading HN. Go volunteer to record the passports and documents while the enemy is on the horizon, and post videos so we can all watch and make sure you're documenting properly.

by fuoqi 5y ago

stjohnswarts 5y ago

They didn't exactly have a lot of time to form a committee and design a proper gun database and licensing process. They just wanted to kill some invaders.

urthor 5y ago

They don't give a shit. Realistically, in a conflict, anyone who cannot materially contribute to the conflict is a liability. Every single military, the world over, is heavily trained to ignore civilian casualties. As long as it's not a militarily significant asset, their training is to not care about it. Handing out AK-47s increases the number of military assets. The cost doesn't show up on the military asset balance sheet.

dash2 5y ago
> Every single military, the world over, is heavily trained to ignore civilian casualties. This sounds extremely implausible.
cryptonector 5y ago
People, ideas, material -- in that order! -col. John Boyd

filoleg 5y ago

> Handing out AK-47 to everyone without even recording who got a weapon is outright irresponsible "Mr. Miroshnichenko [the head of international affairs for the Territorial Defense Force of Ukraine] turned aside any concerns over arming a civilian population in the capital’s streets, saying that each weapon’s serial number was attached to a passport."[0] While your concern about training remains, they definitely recorded who got weapons. And also keep in mind that Ukraine, the entire time, had mandatory conscription of all males, where they definitely learned the basics of handling a firearm. And plus, I am sorry, but there are certain situations when concern over proper training takes a backseat, and this feels like one of them. 0. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/25/world/russia-ukraine-war#armed-with-assault-rifles-civilian-volunteers-prepare-to-defend-kyiv https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/25/world/russia-ukraine...

fuoqi 5y ago
I prefer to trust my eyes and ears: https://t.me/SergeyKolyasnikov/22500 https://t.me/SergeyKolyasnikov/22500 In this video he literally says that weapons are given without any documents whatsoever.
- filoleg 5y ago
  So, some random bystander person says in a video posted on Telegram that they are giving out weapons without documents, while the actual military official in charge says that they tie serial numbers to passports. Not trying to say that the officials never lie, but the level of credibility of those two claims is tilting heavily towards the military official for me. And regardless, that specific point isn't really a concern (to me personally) when it comes to literally having to defend livelihood of your family and the city against an invading force.
- notch656a 5y ago
  Why don't you go tell them they're doing wrong yourself? They're probably not reading HN. Go volunteer to record the passports and documents while the enemy is on the horizon, and post videos so we can all watch and make sure you're documenting properly.