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They already have that. The war is not about that. Russia winning this war will not mean peace and stability, free of foreign control to Ukrainians.

• s1artibartfast 5y ago
  They already have what? I think you are putting words in my mouth. I never said it would be good for Ukrainians if Russia won, or that Russia even can win. I just said there isn't a realistic outcome where Ukraine wins via military might.
  • NoPie 5y ago
    The war is already happening and Russia is going to win and Ukraine will lose. Stopping the war now by negotiations or promises is not going to change the outcome.
    • s1artibartfast 5y ago
      >The war is already happening Agreed. >Russia is going to win and Ukraine will lose Agreed. >Stopping the war now by negotiations or promises is not going to change the outcome. A negotiated settlement won't change some outcomes and will change others. A peace agreement wont change the fact that Russia gets what it wants: No NATO in Ukraine, Russia gets Crimea, and Independence for the separatists in eastern Ukraine. A Peace agreement would prevent the loss of countless civilian and military lives, and further destruction across Ukraine.
      • NoPie 5y ago
        No, a peace agreement won't do anything you describe. It will only cause the same amount of deaths but from insurgency. There is no rational reason for Ukraine to agree to peace agreement now.
        • s1artibartfast 5y ago
          So you prefer war to peace?