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This is a big revelation to people? Reminds me of when a friend of mine clicked on "Messages" and was shocked to see IM and Inbox conversations from 2007 with

by jgroome 15y ago

This is a big revelation to people? Reminds me of when a friend of mine clicked on "Messages" and was shocked to see IM and Inbox conversations from 2007 with people she no longer knows. I had to say... What did you expect? When did Facebook ever say anything about deleting data after a certain time?

koopajah 15y ago
There is a difference between people here knowing (or at least suspecting) that facebook keeps all that, and the lambda user. You would be ok if gmail kept a copy of every email you sent, received, the "drafts" you saved at one point? We can suspect they keep everything and still hope they are not in the end.
- bobbles 15y ago
  I can't speak for anyone else but I would expect gmail to keep all of those emails.
  - narcissus 15y ago
    I think that koopajah was implying "even after you delete it" with regards to whether or not you would be OK with Google keeping a copy of your emails.
    - koopajah 15y ago
      Yes I was. I always assume the worst from a website, so I think that google keeps even a copy of the drafts emails even after deletion etc. But not everyone thinks this. And I think it's wrong to think that most people can/should assume this without being tech-savvy etc. A lot of people use facebook without even realizing that google indexes pictures profile, wall posts, comments to facebook application. You cannot ask them to understand that facebook is able to log EVERYTHING you do on a page (clicks, mouse movements, etC.) and has the technical/hardware means to sort/keep/monetize these data They should know, but they really don't.
- dfxm12 15y ago
  People really need to be educated on how this stuff works. You don't need to be tech savvy to understand that this data has some value to Facebook (maybe you have to be business savvy, or marketing savvy, etc...). Once you figure that out, it makes perfect sense that they'll keep this data around forever. Then, once you figure that out, it should be no surprise that this info can be "found" again, whether through Europe V Facebook or Timeline, etc. Maybe Facebook (or GMail) could or should be more transparent about this, but in all honesty, I don't know if that will change anyone behavior...
MatthewB 15y ago
Nothing surprising here. The money is in the data and the more data Facebook generates about its users, the better targeting options advertisers have.

by jgroome 15y ago

koopajah 15y ago

There is a difference between people here knowing (or at least suspecting) that facebook keeps all that, and the lambda user. You would be ok if gmail kept a copy of every email you sent, received, the "drafts" you saved at one point? We can suspect they keep everything and still hope they are not in the end.

bobbles 15y ago
I can't speak for anyone else but I would expect gmail to keep all of those emails.
- narcissus 15y ago
  I think that koopajah was implying "even after you delete it" with regards to whether or not you would be OK with Google keeping a copy of your emails.
  - koopajah 15y ago
    Yes I was. I always assume the worst from a website, so I think that google keeps even a copy of the drafts emails even after deletion etc. But not everyone thinks this. And I think it's wrong to think that most people can/should assume this without being tech-savvy etc. A lot of people use facebook without even realizing that google indexes pictures profile, wall posts, comments to facebook application. You cannot ask them to understand that facebook is able to log EVERYTHING you do on a page (clicks, mouse movements, etC.) and has the technical/hardware means to sort/keep/monetize these data They should know, but they really don't.
dfxm12 15y ago
People really need to be educated on how this stuff works. You don't need to be tech savvy to understand that this data has some value to Facebook (maybe you have to be business savvy, or marketing savvy, etc...). Once you figure that out, it makes perfect sense that they'll keep this data around forever. Then, once you figure that out, it should be no surprise that this info can be "found" again, whether through Europe V Facebook or Timeline, etc. Maybe Facebook (or GMail) could or should be more transparent about this, but in all honesty, I don't know if that will change anyone behavior...

MatthewB 15y ago

Nothing surprising here. The money is in the data and the more data Facebook generates about its users, the better targeting options advertisers have.