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That's sort of a no true scottsman. Occupy wall street resulted in nothing, BLM protests were huge to no lasting effect, massive anti war protests in the early

That's sort of a no true scottsman. Occupy wall street resulted in nothing, BLM protests were huge to no lasting effect, massive anti war protests in the early 2000's resulted in a couple decades of war. What ones recently were big enough? Million man march? That was just LBJ buying votes if you ask him about it privately.

jacquesm 5y ago
None of those resulted in crippling the country, which is the level you need. Without Russia propping him up Lukashenko would be out by now. Think Solidarity, not BLM and get the whole country to grind to a halt. That will make a difference. By the time the police and the army have to decide if they want to open fire on their family it can be won. But for that to happen something major will have to change in Russia first.
- willcipriano 5y ago
  In Canada they just had protests that crippled the country, they just took food and the ability to bank or heat themselves from the protestors until they gave up. No change. Imagine if Trudeau had a gulag.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    That was a few hundred people at best. Anyway, I can see that you believe strongly that protests don't work, I've been eyewitness to protests that did work and that changed the direction of a country (in fact, multiple countries) in a massive way. Those instances are rare, but that's an existence proof that you can't deny (and there are, historically, more examples). Note that the support for those Canadian protests amongst ordinary Canadians was minimal.
    - mardifoufs 5y ago
      I'd assume support for those anti war protests in a time of war is probably lower than the support for the truckers in canada (which wasn't that low, 30-40% of the population). Does that make anti war protests in russia illegitimate ? Especially since appearing to undermine a war effort is usually universally despised once a war starts. Even the iraq war started with 90% of americans rallying behind bush and supported the war, so the legitimacy of the war itself does not seem to matter a lot.
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        > Does that make anti war protests in russia illegitimate ? According to the Russian authorities, yes. According to me: those people are real heroes, right now it is far more dangerous to join such protests than when the numbers are higher, especially in places like Russia.
  - osigurdson 5y ago
    Virtually every Canadian province has dropped vaccine passports or is in the process of doing so. This was not the case before the protests began. While it's possible that this would have happened anyway (and not even the purview of the federal government), it seems likely that protests accelerated things. Of course, I'm not sure there are many parallels here to the situation in Russia/Ukraine.
myko 5y ago
protests worked in russia in 1917
- paulryanrogers 5y ago
  Wasn't it an armed uprising?
  - myko 5y ago
    Unless I'm misunderstanding the request here that is what folks are truly asking the Russian population to do. Someone must physically cast Putin down within Russia itself. I agree peaceful protests inside the country will not work.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> BLM protests were huge to no lasting effect Accountability for criminal homicide of Black people, especially by law enforcement, has definitely increased since BLM became a force. Whether that's a lasting effect is, of course, too soon to say, but it's not to be casually dismissed as you have.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  > Accountability for criminal homicide of Black people, especially by law enforcement, has definitely increased since BLM became a force. Especially by law enforcement, or only by law enforcement? Criminal homicide of blacks is way up since BLM.

jacquesm 5y ago

None of those resulted in crippling the country, which is the level you need. Without Russia propping him up Lukashenko would be out by now. Think Solidarity, not BLM and get the whole country to grind to a halt. That will make a difference. By the time the police and the army have to decide if they want to open fire on their family it can be won. But for that to happen something major will have to change in Russia first.

willcipriano 5y ago
In Canada they just had protests that crippled the country, they just took food and the ability to bank or heat themselves from the protestors until they gave up. No change. Imagine if Trudeau had a gulag.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  That was a few hundred people at best. Anyway, I can see that you believe strongly that protests don't work, I've been eyewitness to protests that did work and that changed the direction of a country (in fact, multiple countries) in a massive way. Those instances are rare, but that's an existence proof that you can't deny (and there are, historically, more examples). Note that the support for those Canadian protests amongst ordinary Canadians was minimal.
  - mardifoufs 5y ago
    I'd assume support for those anti war protests in a time of war is probably lower than the support for the truckers in canada (which wasn't that low, 30-40% of the population). Does that make anti war protests in russia illegitimate ? Especially since appearing to undermine a war effort is usually universally despised once a war starts. Even the iraq war started with 90% of americans rallying behind bush and supported the war, so the legitimacy of the war itself does not seem to matter a lot.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      > Does that make anti war protests in russia illegitimate ? According to the Russian authorities, yes. According to me: those people are real heroes, right now it is far more dangerous to join such protests than when the numbers are higher, especially in places like Russia.
- osigurdson 5y ago
  Virtually every Canadian province has dropped vaccine passports or is in the process of doing so. This was not the case before the protests began. While it's possible that this would have happened anyway (and not even the purview of the federal government), it seems likely that protests accelerated things. Of course, I'm not sure there are many parallels here to the situation in Russia/Ukraine.

myko 5y ago

protests worked in russia in 1917

paulryanrogers 5y ago
Wasn't it an armed uprising?
- myko 5y ago
  Unless I'm misunderstanding the request here that is what folks are truly asking the Russian population to do. Someone must physically cast Putin down within Russia itself. I agree peaceful protests inside the country will not work.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> BLM protests were huge to no lasting effect Accountability for criminal homicide of Black people, especially by law enforcement, has definitely increased since BLM became a force. Whether that's a lasting effect is, of course, too soon to say, but it's not to be casually dismissed as you have.

thaumasiotes 5y ago
> Accountability for criminal homicide of Black people, especially by law enforcement, has definitely increased since BLM became a force. Especially by law enforcement, or only by law enforcement? Criminal homicide of blacks is way up since BLM.