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The victims are the people in Ukraine, not you. People are dying there and the country has been dragged into chaos. Russia is 100% the aggressor in this case. I

by 13415 5y ago

The victims are the people in Ukraine, not you. People are dying there and the country has been dragged into chaos. Russia is 100% the aggressor in this case. If you don't want to feel the pain of sanctions, you better do something to change your government. This might not appear fair to you and certainly isn't easy, but don't forget that life is currently even less fair to the Ukrainians who die defending their country.

droptablemain 5y ago
It's not that simple. What about the 14,000 killed in the DPR and LPR over the past years?
- 13415 5y ago
  His posts reeks of unreflected self pity and all you can offer is whataboutism?
  - droptablemain 5y ago
    Yes, because I don't appreciate complex geopolitical issues being boiled down to "Russia bad, poor Ukraine." It's complicated and messy. Don't pretend like it's black-and-white.
    - 13415 5y ago
      Contrary to what you're insinuating, this is one of the clearest cases in recorded history of conflicts. Russia is the aggressor and started a territorial war against Ukraine - already in 2014, now turned into a full-scale invasion. You need to check your moral compass and brush up your knowledge of international relations and history.
      - droptablemain 5y ago
        Not true. This has been eight years in the making. Civil War at Russia's borders. A fascist, neo-Nazi military terrorizing ethnic Russians. 14,000 dead in Donbas. Your "clear case" is missing quite a bit of information.
        13415 5y ago
        Nice try but the exact opposite is true. During the past 8 years, those ethnic Russians have been snatching other random ethnic Russians from the streets in the Donbas region to torture them for days to weeks. They're no more than a bunch of Kremlin-controlled thugs. There are plenty of eye witness reports to corroborate the horrendous human rights violations in the Donbas region by their self-proclaimed governors and their goons - and they are radical Russian nationalists aka Neo-Nazis.
nomel 5y ago
> The victims are the people in Ukraine, not you. This is such a simplistic take, considering a true dictator is in power, who has continually demonstrated a heavy, unforgiving, hand, with any concepts of democracy being laughably false (107% voter turnout!). Multiple bad things can happen at once. Multiple people can be victims. Nothing is actually black and white. The Russian people that didn't vote for Putin aren't associated with the army that's attacking right now, in any way, other than randomly being born within the countries borders, where one of the most powerful dictators in the world happens to rule.

by 13415 5y ago

droptablemain 5y ago

It's not that simple. What about the 14,000 killed in the DPR and LPR over the past years?

13415 5y ago
His posts reeks of unreflected self pity and all you can offer is whataboutism?
- droptablemain 5y ago
  Yes, because I don't appreciate complex geopolitical issues being boiled down to "Russia bad, poor Ukraine." It's complicated and messy. Don't pretend like it's black-and-white.
  - 13415 5y ago
    Contrary to what you're insinuating, this is one of the clearest cases in recorded history of conflicts. Russia is the aggressor and started a territorial war against Ukraine - already in 2014, now turned into a full-scale invasion. You need to check your moral compass and brush up your knowledge of international relations and history.
    - droptablemain 5y ago
      Not true. This has been eight years in the making. Civil War at Russia's borders. A fascist, neo-Nazi military terrorizing ethnic Russians. 14,000 dead in Donbas. Your "clear case" is missing quite a bit of information.
      - 13415 5y ago
        Nice try but the exact opposite is true. During the past 8 years, those ethnic Russians have been snatching other random ethnic Russians from the streets in the Donbas region to torture them for days to weeks. They're no more than a bunch of Kremlin-controlled thugs. There are plenty of eye witness reports to corroborate the horrendous human rights violations in the Donbas region by their self-proclaimed governors and their goons - and they are radical Russian nationalists aka Neo-Nazis.

nomel 5y ago

> The victims are the people in Ukraine, not you. This is such a simplistic take, considering a true dictator is in power, who has continually demonstrated a heavy, unforgiving, hand, with any concepts of democracy being laughably false (107% voter turnout!). Multiple bad things can happen at once. Multiple people can be victims. Nothing is actually black and white. The Russian people that didn't vote for Putin aren't associated with the army that's attacking right now, in any way, other than randomly being born within the countries borders, where one of the most powerful dictators in the world happens to rule.