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Leftists today love to parrot the Ukraine are neo-nazi dreck. Obviously, the USSR is gone but it did manage to demoralize enough people to shill for Russian fo

Leftists today love to parrot the Ukraine are neo-nazi dreck. Obviously, the USSR is gone but it did manage to demoralize enough people to shill for Russian foreign policy despite Putin being much more fascist adjacent, and enjoying close support from the bellicose Orthodox patriarchs who rail against western politics instead of sticking to droning on about God.

drewcoo 5y ago
Strange. I don't know any leftists who argue in favor of the capitalist oligarchs who rule Russia. What cave have your leftists been living in?
- gunfighthacksaw 5y ago
  The cave where they hate the West so much that they shill for its enemies who are much more ghoulish. My leftists are British and Canadian however. YMMV based on geography.
  - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
    You seem to both know some very extreme individuals and also enjoy painting with extremely broad strokes.
- WillPostForFood 5y ago
  That's a strawman - it isn't that leftists "argue in favor of the capitalist oligarchs who rule Russia", but that they make excuses for Putin (blame Nato expansion for causing the crisis), and accuse Ukraine supporters of fomenting war. The anti-war left is a weird (albeit smaller) mirror of the Tucker Carlson right. But we also acknowledge that the Russian government, oligarchic autocracy as it is, is right to say that endless NATO expansion, for which read extended US hegemony, is not the security structure Europe needs. The chance was missed to abolish NATO when the Warsaw Pact went out of business more than thirty years ago; instead we are left with the consequences of broken US promises not to extend the alliance eastwards. So Stop the War aims to provide the opposition that the Labour front bench seemingly won’t. The Tories have taken the lead internationally in talking up the crisis, announcing imminent coups, false-flag incidents or invasions almost every day, to the point where even the government in Kiev has asked them to tone it down a bit. More substantively, they have sent fresh arms to Ukraine and deployed more British forces into Eastern Europe—all the very things which Russia has said it finds most menacing. All this pointless provocation seems to speak of a government which would actually quite like a war to break out, for strategic and doubtless domestic political reasons, particularly since it will not involve any British forces fighting. https://tribunemag.co.uk/2022/02/keir-starmer-guardian-stop-the-war-nato-russia https://tribunemag.co.uk/2022/02/keir-starmer-guardian-stop-...
  - KerrAvon 5y ago
    I mean, Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein makes two, but where's the rest of that version of the left in the US? I think it's basically nonexistent.
    - WillPostForFood 5y ago
      If you aren't seeing it you aren't looking. It is admittedly weird, you reflexively think they are right wingers, but dig a bit and you see they are pro-Palestine, pro-Venezuela leftists who see the same conspiracy to start a war as the fringe right: https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1497607142894968834 https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1497607142894968834
  - avgcorrection 5y ago
    By this definition, analyzing history and all its actors is the same as assigning and/or de-assigning blame.
    - WillPostForFood 5y ago
      No, not at all. This is a leftist group opposing support for Ukraine. The "analysis of history" is just the rationale. I don't care about the rationale, and that's not the point.

drewcoo 5y ago

Strange. I don't know any leftists who argue in favor of the capitalist oligarchs who rule Russia. What cave have your leftists been living in?

gunfighthacksaw 5y ago
The cave where they hate the West so much that they shill for its enemies who are much more ghoulish. My leftists are British and Canadian however. YMMV based on geography.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  You seem to both know some very extreme individuals and also enjoy painting with extremely broad strokes.
WillPostForFood 5y ago
That's a strawman - it isn't that leftists "argue in favor of the capitalist oligarchs who rule Russia", but that they make excuses for Putin (blame Nato expansion for causing the crisis), and accuse Ukraine supporters of fomenting war. The anti-war left is a weird (albeit smaller) mirror of the Tucker Carlson right. But we also acknowledge that the Russian government, oligarchic autocracy as it is, is right to say that endless NATO expansion, for which read extended US hegemony, is not the security structure Europe needs. The chance was missed to abolish NATO when the Warsaw Pact went out of business more than thirty years ago; instead we are left with the consequences of broken US promises not to extend the alliance eastwards. So Stop the War aims to provide the opposition that the Labour front bench seemingly won’t. The Tories have taken the lead internationally in talking up the crisis, announcing imminent coups, false-flag incidents or invasions almost every day, to the point where even the government in Kiev has asked them to tone it down a bit. More substantively, they have sent fresh arms to Ukraine and deployed more British forces into Eastern Europe—all the very things which Russia has said it finds most menacing. All this pointless provocation seems to speak of a government which would actually quite like a war to break out, for strategic and doubtless domestic political reasons, particularly since it will not involve any British forces fighting. https://tribunemag.co.uk/2022/02/keir-starmer-guardian-stop-the-war-nato-russia https://tribunemag.co.uk/2022/02/keir-starmer-guardian-stop-...
- KerrAvon 5y ago
  I mean, Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein makes two, but where's the rest of that version of the left in the US? I think it's basically nonexistent.
  - WillPostForFood 5y ago
    If you aren't seeing it you aren't looking. It is admittedly weird, you reflexively think they are right wingers, but dig a bit and you see they are pro-Palestine, pro-Venezuela leftists who see the same conspiracy to start a war as the fringe right: https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1497607142894968834 https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1497607142894968834
- avgcorrection 5y ago
  By this definition, analyzing history and all its actors is the same as assigning and/or de-assigning blame.
  - WillPostForFood 5y ago
    No, not at all. This is a leftist group opposing support for Ukraine. The "analysis of history" is just the rationale. I don't care about the rationale, and that's not the point.