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The self defense claim for Afghanistan is just as flimsy as Russian claim of self defense in ukraine (they harbour our ennemies/nazis/etc). I'm all for condemni
by mardifoufs 5y ago
The self defense claim for Afghanistan is just as flimsy as Russian claim of self defense in ukraine (they harbour our ennemies/nazis/etc). I'm all for condemning the russian invasion without necessarily bringing up the past but that does not mean you have to literally justify what america did in afghanistan. The only reason why it seems more reasonable to you aren't russian, and you think your team had better intentions.
Also so what if they admitted it was a mistake in iraq? If putin admits ukraine was a mistake in 5 years is everything okay and we can just not be allowed to bring that event up again? The complete destabilization that war caused isn't just something you can dismiss because they said oopsie (not even apologizing). Calling the american diplomacy efforts in 2003 not disingenuous is just completely flat out wrong. It was probably even more dishonest than what putin has been doing, with fake leaks to the media and moving goalposts to assure an invasion will inevitably happen. Bush wanted the iraq war and to topple saddam no matter what concession he was willing to make
Again, no need to even compare the events and I get you don't fully approve of the wars but the justification for the 2 wars is swinging way way too far into american apologism.
- CRConrad 5y ago> The self defense claim for Afghanistan is just as flimsy as Russian claim of self defense in ukraine (they harbour our ennemies/nazis/etc). Aha, so Bin Laden and Al Qaeda weren't hiding in Afghanistan?
- jessaustin 5y agoNot after 2001-12-16, the day when even super-warhawks like CFR admit ObL left for Pakistan. [0] Astute historians will note that the war continued for another two decades. [0] https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-war-afghanistan https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-war-afghanistan
- CRConrad 5y agoOops!?! TIL, thanks.