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Russian here. Most comments here are pure nonsense. The only reason Facebook risks getting blocked is because in Russia it is predominantly used by dissidents a

Russian here. Most comments here are pure nonsense. The only reason Facebook risks getting blocked is because in Russia it is predominantly used by dissidents and people in opposition to Putin's regime. It doesn't block groups, events, etc at Kremlin's behest. So it should be blocked. Upd: many commenters here clearly misread my comment, or maybe it's my poor English. "It should be blocked" means that it is in Putin's interest to block it, but better under some pretext. I am personally in a very sharp opposition to Putin's criminal syndicate.

kodablah 5y ago
> it is predominantly used by dissidents and people in opposition to Putin's regime [...] So it should be blocked. Well, at least your stance is clear. Obviously most will disagree with a government blocking a site for being used by the current leader's opposition.
- tadfisher 5y ago
  I don't think you're reading the post charitably or correctly.
  - kodablah 5y ago
    Ah, I see...maybe the OP means FB should be blocked because they are not doing individual blocking at the government's request? I think it's still pretty easy to disagree with that justification too (same as I'd disagree if a US ISP was forced to block a Russian site that didn't kowtow to US requests). And it's still easy to see that the reasons given by the OP for why it risks getting blocked are disagreeable to.
    - cutemonster 5y ago
      (I asked what was meant, in a sibling reply)
cutemonster 5y ago
It sounds as if you think FB should block things at Kremlin's behest, and since FB doesn't, it deserves to get blocked itself -- is that what you meant? (Or did you mean that therefore it was logical for Putin to block FB? Or, well, maybe you wrote something different from what you wanted to write, not being a native English speaker)
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  It is logical for Putin to block Facebook, but better under some pretext. I don't support Putin's policy in the slightest, up to the point of being detained by the police at a protest rallies.
  - kodablah 5y ago
    Makes sense, apologies for the misinterpretation.
AgentME 5y ago
(going off-topic, talking about language) >So it should be blocked. Upd: many commenters here clearly misread my comment, or maybe it's my poor English. "It should be blocked" means that it is in Putin's interest to block it, but better under some pretext. I am personally in a very sharp opposition to Putin's criminal syndicate. It's ambiguous, but I definitely think most English-speakers read a sentence like "So X should happen" to mean the speaker is prescribing an action they agree with. If I was writing about what I expected another group to do while avoiding implying I agreed with their logic or was trying to raise support for the action happening, I'd phrase it without the word "should" like "so it makes sense for them to do it". It might be reading too far into this, but this makes me very curious what differences there may be between languages and cultures in how they talk about "should", their expectations, and their own values vs other groups' values. I wonder if it's common for a sentence meaning "bad outcome X is likely [for others to do]" to be mistranslated into something read as "we should support making outcome X more likely, [it's really not so bad]".

kodablah 5y ago

> it is predominantly used by dissidents and people in opposition to Putin's regime [...] So it should be blocked. Well, at least your stance is clear. Obviously most will disagree with a government blocking a site for being used by the current leader's opposition.

tadfisher 5y ago
I don't think you're reading the post charitably or correctly.
- kodablah 5y ago
  Ah, I see...maybe the OP means FB should be blocked because they are not doing individual blocking at the government's request? I think it's still pretty easy to disagree with that justification too (same as I'd disagree if a US ISP was forced to block a Russian site that didn't kowtow to US requests). And it's still easy to see that the reasons given by the OP for why it risks getting blocked are disagreeable to.
  - cutemonster 5y ago
    (I asked what was meant, in a sibling reply)

cutemonster 5y ago

It sounds as if you think FB should block things at Kremlin's behest, and since FB doesn't, it deserves to get blocked itself -- is that what you meant? (Or did you mean that therefore it was logical for Putin to block FB? Or, well, maybe you wrote something different from what you wanted to write, not being a native English speaker)

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
It is logical for Putin to block Facebook, but better under some pretext. I don't support Putin's policy in the slightest, up to the point of being detained by the police at a protest rallies.
- kodablah 5y ago
  Makes sense, apologies for the misinterpretation.

AgentME 5y ago

(going off-topic, talking about language) >So it should be blocked. Upd: many commenters here clearly misread my comment, or maybe it's my poor English. "It should be blocked" means that it is in Putin's interest to block it, but better under some pretext. I am personally in a very sharp opposition to Putin's criminal syndicate. It's ambiguous, but I definitely think most English-speakers read a sentence like "So X should happen" to mean the speaker is prescribing an action they agree with. If I was writing about what I expected another group to do while avoiding implying I agreed with their logic or was trying to raise support for the action happening, I'd phrase it without the word "should" like "so it makes sense for them to do it". It might be reading too far into this, but this makes me very curious what differences there may be between languages and cultures in how they talk about "should", their expectations, and their own values vs other groups' values. I wonder if it's common for a sentence meaning "bad outcome X is likely [for others to do]" to be mistranslated into something read as "we should support making outcome X more likely, [it's really not so bad]".