Exactly. I had forgotten the name. And yes, the man you knew probably had learned the same lessons as my dad. Again, this was years ago and I was never equippe

Exactly. I had forgotten the name. And yes, the man you knew probably had learned the same lessons as my dad. Again, this was years ago and I was never equipped with one of these but based on what little I learned and what I see it seems those poor guys where roasted, not knocked dead.