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It's not accusation of racism, but it's quite clear that OP thinks lower of those places because they're not "democracies" or have "free press". As if those thi

by azth 5y ago

It's not accusation of racism, but it's quite clear that OP thinks lower of those places because they're not "democracies" or have "free press". As if those things are causal reasons of prosperity or something. Not to mention false accusations of people being forced to marry their rapists or something. Rape and sexual harassment are much much more prevalent in the decadent sexually immoral West that's a fact. We're proud of our "barbaric" laws that punish the thieves and rapists and murderers and fornicators. Don't force your "enlightenment" on us, we saw where it got your culture OP.

sofixa 5y ago
You're conviniently missing two of my four arguments - HDI and Gini coefficient. Yes, democracy and free press are very nice to have, but you can't argue with low HDI. > Rape and sexual harassment are much much more prevalent in the decadent sexually immoral West that's a fact. That's just absolute bullshit. Yes, women are forced to be married to their rapists, and do get punished getting raped. Not everywhere, but it happens. Sexual assault and the like are underreported in the West, let alone countries like Pakistan and India where femicides and brutality against women are close to being normal and usually go without any consequences ( point in case, a brutal case in Pakistan made the international news because the perpetrator got punished after sustained media and public outcry).
- azth 5y ago
  And I don't suppose HDI and Gini have anything to do with the history of continuous colonialism and occupation by the West that continues to this day, do they? Just look at how the US is stealing $7Billion of Afghanistan's money today under Biden, so don't tell me about some wealth inequality when the West continues to siphon the wealth of countries it occupied in West and South Eastern Asia. > Yes, women are forced to be married to their rapists Maybe in some fringe cases or countries like India which already have a huge problem due to many factors, including a religion that does not seem to prohibit such actions. Now compare to when we had actual enforcement of Shariah and the evil doers were punished, before the West occupied us and forced their "tolerant and liberal" policies under the guise of "human rights", suspending the death penalty for criminals like murderers and those who spread corruption in the land, and it's no wonder these things are happening.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    Of course colonialism and neocolonialism contribute a lot to the explanation behind HDI and Gini results, but the vast disparity between different ex-colonies shows it isn't that simple. Oh. I bid you good day sir ( i highly doubt a woman would speak the bullshit you've said about sexual assault and champion Sharia law), because the mere notion that laws based on a religion, especially one of those that treats half of the people as second class, and forbids conversions/atheism/agnosticism is anything but literally one of the worst possible ways to govern a country, is ludicrous and doesn't deserve engaging. There's nothing good to be said about a religious legal system. You can have tough punishments if the people so want based on actual legal principles, not because an old book people consider sacred said so.
    - azth 5y ago
      What did I say about sexual assault? That the rapist should be punished? I assure you that many women would love that. We also have countless Muslim women, who by definition support Shariah (actually, the belief of any Muslim who does not accept Shariah is suspect - by definition, a Muslim supports Shariah [i.e. the Law (of God)]). But if you take your news from far leftist and far rightist sources, I wouldn't be surprised you'd be making such claims. Islam does not treat women as second class, and in fact, has elevated her status and guaranteed her rights. Islam allows freedom of religion and belief. If you took some time to actually read how things were, you wouldn't be saying such things. Even Jewish historians admit that Jews had it best under Islam. It's trivial to disprove your false claims, that honestly show ignorance with all due respect.
      - sofixa 5y ago
        > Islam does not treat women as second class, and in fact, has elevated her status and guaranteed her rights. Islam allows freedom of religion and belief Now i know you're lying. Right to need to ask for permission to go out/drive/get married, or right to dress exactly as required? Or right to be married off at 14? Or maybe right of divorce ( because of course it's different for men and women). And how does freedom of religion work when the law is religious itself? > Even Jewish historians admit that Jews had it best under Islam. That is such bullshit. Had it best? Compared to Israel or compared to Jews who emigrated to the New World? Or maybe you're making some very narrow comparison with Spain under the Inquisition to fit your crazy narrative? Your worldview is completely incompatible with a free country. You're, of course, free to espouse it and practice it, in any country compatible with it (just don't try anything different there or you might get in prison/killed).

by azth 5y ago

sofixa 5y ago

You're conviniently missing two of my four arguments - HDI and Gini coefficient. Yes, democracy and free press are very nice to have, but you can't argue with low HDI. > Rape and sexual harassment are much much more prevalent in the decadent sexually immoral West that's a fact. That's just absolute bullshit. Yes, women are forced to be married to their rapists, and do get punished getting raped. Not everywhere, but it happens. Sexual assault and the like are underreported in the West, let alone countries like Pakistan and India where femicides and brutality against women are close to being normal and usually go without any consequences ( point in case, a brutal case in Pakistan made the international news because the perpetrator got punished after sustained media and public outcry).

azth 5y ago
And I don't suppose HDI and Gini have anything to do with the history of continuous colonialism and occupation by the West that continues to this day, do they? Just look at how the US is stealing $7Billion of Afghanistan's money today under Biden, so don't tell me about some wealth inequality when the West continues to siphon the wealth of countries it occupied in West and South Eastern Asia. > Yes, women are forced to be married to their rapists Maybe in some fringe cases or countries like India which already have a huge problem due to many factors, including a religion that does not seem to prohibit such actions. Now compare to when we had actual enforcement of Shariah and the evil doers were punished, before the West occupied us and forced their "tolerant and liberal" policies under the guise of "human rights", suspending the death penalty for criminals like murderers and those who spread corruption in the land, and it's no wonder these things are happening.
- sofixa 5y ago
  Of course colonialism and neocolonialism contribute a lot to the explanation behind HDI and Gini results, but the vast disparity between different ex-colonies shows it isn't that simple. Oh. I bid you good day sir ( i highly doubt a woman would speak the bullshit you've said about sexual assault and champion Sharia law), because the mere notion that laws based on a religion, especially one of those that treats half of the people as second class, and forbids conversions/atheism/agnosticism is anything but literally one of the worst possible ways to govern a country, is ludicrous and doesn't deserve engaging. There's nothing good to be said about a religious legal system. You can have tough punishments if the people so want based on actual legal principles, not because an old book people consider sacred said so.
  - azth 5y ago
    What did I say about sexual assault? That the rapist should be punished? I assure you that many women would love that. We also have countless Muslim women, who by definition support Shariah (actually, the belief of any Muslim who does not accept Shariah is suspect - by definition, a Muslim supports Shariah [i.e. the Law (of God)]). But if you take your news from far leftist and far rightist sources, I wouldn't be surprised you'd be making such claims. Islam does not treat women as second class, and in fact, has elevated her status and guaranteed her rights. Islam allows freedom of religion and belief. If you took some time to actually read how things were, you wouldn't be saying such things. Even Jewish historians admit that Jews had it best under Islam. It's trivial to disprove your false claims, that honestly show ignorance with all due respect.
    - sofixa 5y ago
      > Islam does not treat women as second class, and in fact, has elevated her status and guaranteed her rights. Islam allows freedom of religion and belief Now i know you're lying. Right to need to ask for permission to go out/drive/get married, or right to dress exactly as required? Or right to be married off at 14? Or maybe right of divorce ( because of course it's different for men and women). And how does freedom of religion work when the law is religious itself? > Even Jewish historians admit that Jews had it best under Islam. That is such bullshit. Had it best? Compared to Israel or compared to Jews who emigrated to the New World? Or maybe you're making some very narrow comparison with Spain under the Inquisition to fit your crazy narrative? Your worldview is completely incompatible with a free country. You're, of course, free to espouse it and practice it, in any country compatible with it (just don't try anything different there or you might get in prison/killed).