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This is a very delicate situation that can't be resolved by just sending troops and fighting. Neither the US nor Europe wants to have another world war. Definit

This is a very delicate situation that can't be resolved by just sending troops and fighting. Neither the US nor Europe wants to have another world war. Definitely not now nuclear weapons are much more powerful.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
I'm pretty sure that we're in World War III. We're just trying to pretend that we're not. We're at least at the buildup to it.
- GoodJokes 5y ago
- tyre 5y ago
  This is not a world war. The fighting is specific to a single area. The Vietnam War involved at least double the number of involved countries and wasn’t considered a world war.
  - djxfade 5y ago
    World War II also started with fighting in a specific single are, until suddenly it wasn't in a single area anymore...
    - 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
      But what about the denominator. All the wars that started in single areas and ended in them too.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > This is not a world war. The fighting is specific to a single area. That was true of WWII, until it wasn't.
    - kingofpandora 5y ago
      And it's not true of this war until it is.
    - gerikson 5y ago
      Germany invaded Poland on 29 Aug 1939, and France and Great Britain declared war on Germany on 3 Sep 1939. If a major power declares war on Russia on Monday, we're in World War III.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    Crimea was the Sudetenland; Ukraine is Poland.
- iso1631 5y ago
  The parallels with ww2 are far too easy to draw - the annexation, the failed appeasement attempt, the invasion. The German invasion of Poland tends to be counted as the "start" of ww2, but the militarisation of the Rhineland, annexation of Austria, and invasion of Czechoslovakia all came first on that front. The global reach was due to European colonies abroad (especially in Africa). The Japanese invasion of China also predated the start of war in Europe, but the Pacific war doesn't count as starting until the attacks on Hawaii, Philipeenes, Malaya/Singapore, Hong Kong etc in 1941. Perhaps the next move is Sweden+Finland joining Nato (because clearly not being part of Nato is risky). Either way, perhaps then Russia invades the Baltics (or maybe "Belarus" does for deniability?), triggering wars all along the border. Throw in China using the opportunity to attack Taiwan while America is busy elsewhere, North Korea rolling into South Korea, and various local civil wars (probably instigated by China) in South America to distract the US further, then throw a wildcard like Syria taking a pop at Israel, and it rapidly escalates into a World War. Historians (if any survive) may lump Crimea, Ukraine, and even places like Georgia, as the "pre-war" battles, it's arguable when local wars get enough to be deemed to be a "World War".
ROTMetro 5y ago
Then we should not have been encouraging Ukraine the way we have if we knew we didn't have their back. It really was not fair of us (the USA).
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  Ukraine had all of the information as well. They were told they wouldn't be defended by NATO, and they were told that they would be attacked by Russia if they didn't renounce their NATO aspirations. It was all a big game of chicken to see if Russia was bluffing
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AnimalMuppet 5y ago

I'm pretty sure that we're in World War III. We're just trying to pretend that we're not. We're at least at the buildup to it.

GoodJokes 5y ago
tyre 5y ago
This is not a world war. The fighting is specific to a single area. The Vietnam War involved at least double the number of involved countries and wasn’t considered a world war.
- djxfade 5y ago
  World War II also started with fighting in a specific single are, until suddenly it wasn't in a single area anymore...
  - 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
    But what about the denominator. All the wars that started in single areas and ended in them too.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > This is not a world war. The fighting is specific to a single area. That was true of WWII, until it wasn't.
  - kingofpandora 5y ago
    And it's not true of this war until it is.
  - gerikson 5y ago
    Germany invaded Poland on 29 Aug 1939, and France and Great Britain declared war on Germany on 3 Sep 1939. If a major power declares war on Russia on Monday, we're in World War III.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  Crimea was the Sudetenland; Ukraine is Poland.
iso1631 5y ago
The parallels with ww2 are far too easy to draw - the annexation, the failed appeasement attempt, the invasion. The German invasion of Poland tends to be counted as the "start" of ww2, but the militarisation of the Rhineland, annexation of Austria, and invasion of Czechoslovakia all came first on that front. The global reach was due to European colonies abroad (especially in Africa). The Japanese invasion of China also predated the start of war in Europe, but the Pacific war doesn't count as starting until the attacks on Hawaii, Philipeenes, Malaya/Singapore, Hong Kong etc in 1941. Perhaps the next move is Sweden+Finland joining Nato (because clearly not being part of Nato is risky). Either way, perhaps then Russia invades the Baltics (or maybe "Belarus" does for deniability?), triggering wars all along the border. Throw in China using the opportunity to attack Taiwan while America is busy elsewhere, North Korea rolling into South Korea, and various local civil wars (probably instigated by China) in South America to distract the US further, then throw a wildcard like Syria taking a pop at Israel, and it rapidly escalates into a World War. Historians (if any survive) may lump Crimea, Ukraine, and even places like Georgia, as the "pre-war" battles, it's arguable when local wars get enough to be deemed to be a "World War".

ROTMetro 5y ago

Then we should not have been encouraging Ukraine the way we have if we knew we didn't have their back. It really was not fair of us (the USA).

s1artibartfast 5y ago
Ukraine had all of the information as well. They were told they wouldn't be defended by NATO, and they were told that they would be attacked by Russia if they didn't renounce their NATO aspirations. It was all a big game of chicken to see if Russia was bluffing

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