>Population in European countries isn't even at replacement levels. They actually need immigrants to keep their economies from collapsing on retirees. I am unde

>Population in European countries isn't even at replacement levels. They actually need immigrants to keep their economies from collapsing on retirees. I am under the impression that there is something fundamentally wrong with a society that cannot even maintain it's own population, especially when you consider that they are already utilizing immigration to some extent. For this reason I doubt the answer is more immigration, after all, what will become of the immigrants children who then produce below replacement rate? Will we simply keep pushing the problem one generation down the line? Short term economic downturn and a large elderly population may be part of a larger cycle which would then allow for a rapid turnaround in population growth. Whether this is through immigration or native growth is anyone's guess. >And those mass death events, of course, should involve immigrants and not Europeans? Or, you? These conversations about population control always seem to trend in the same direction.. the same people who hate overpopulation of humans never want to start the solution with their own families. The mass death events affect whoever they affect, I am not blaming people for the place or situation they are born in, nor do I "hate" overpopulation, and indeed you are right to point out that my own self preservation is a part of the overpopulation problem, in the end I intend to do what is best for myself, as would anyone else, I just naively have some optimism about how this may correct itself in the long term, as opposed to the worst case scenario which is total extinction.