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> If you want an exception, then recognize and carve that out within the democratic process, not by preemptively applying authoritarianism. You mean like I'm a

> If you want an exception, then recognize and carve that out within the democratic process, not by preemptively applying authoritarianism. You mean like I'm advocating for now? We've let it exist, and I am now advocating for it to be broken up - like I've been for a while. Edit: I should specify - I am advocating for platforms at the scale of Facebook/Youtube/Twitter to be broken up in general, with an explicit preference towards federated services. We've let them run, and it's time for this generations round of trust busting. I'm am advocating for it to be run through a legal manner though, and discussed and acted upon via democratic means. I think that all over comments on my gp we've gotten off topic, my email is available in my profile for anyone who wants to discuss this sort of thing further in any manner.

abnercoimbre 5y ago
Which federated services would you advocate for? Just want a sampling for my own research. I would assume Matrix is one (for chat servers.) What are some others?
- Shared404 5y ago
  As far as existing tech goes, I personally like and use Matrix. Mastodon seems promising as a social media replacement, and PeerTube has the tech for YouTube replacements. Both of these two are using ActivityPub, which is on Wikipedia here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub The problem comes with content. Matrix is in the strongest position at the moment imho - moving chat platform has the least network effect, and it has the most effective (only?) bridges between "standard" centralized services out of the three. Mastodon has a decent presence, especially of tech people, but not so much outside of the tech or "got banned from twitter" bubbles. PeerTube is in the weakest position of the three afaict - it's mostly again the tech bubble and the "got banned from youtube bubble", but with a much worse distribution. The tech on Matrix and Mastodon at least seems well established though[0], and I think both would succeed if not for the massive network effects of YouTube/Facebook/Twitter/etc. My honest opinion is that even if a federated solution doesn't exist or isn't far enough along yet for any of the above it would be better to break down the current state of things and force the creation of one. [0] I've not used Peertube really, so I don't know how far along it is.
  - abnercoimbre 5y ago
    It is telling that even you -- an advocate of these things -- have not tried Peertube. Network effects are the main problem. I use Matrix for my conference [0] and the audience has gotten more used to it, but it's been a high friction battle. Thanks for the info. [0] https://handmade-seattle.com https://handmade-seattle.com
    - Shared404 5y ago
      I fully agree. Network effects make this a losing battle, and that will not change until it is forced to - this my advocacy for it to be done via law. I should not that I have and do occasionally watch content on peertube, there's just sadly not much there. The conference looks quite interesting, I'll have to try to watch some of the talks this year!

abnercoimbre 5y ago

Which federated services would you advocate for? Just want a sampling for my own research. I would assume Matrix is one (for chat servers.) What are some others?

Shared404 5y ago
As far as existing tech goes, I personally like and use Matrix. Mastodon seems promising as a social media replacement, and PeerTube has the tech for YouTube replacements. Both of these two are using ActivityPub, which is on Wikipedia here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub The problem comes with content. Matrix is in the strongest position at the moment imho - moving chat platform has the least network effect, and it has the most effective (only?) bridges between "standard" centralized services out of the three. Mastodon has a decent presence, especially of tech people, but not so much outside of the tech or "got banned from twitter" bubbles. PeerTube is in the weakest position of the three afaict - it's mostly again the tech bubble and the "got banned from youtube bubble", but with a much worse distribution. The tech on Matrix and Mastodon at least seems well established though[0], and I think both would succeed if not for the massive network effects of YouTube/Facebook/Twitter/etc. My honest opinion is that even if a federated solution doesn't exist or isn't far enough along yet for any of the above it would be better to break down the current state of things and force the creation of one. [0] I've not used Peertube really, so I don't know how far along it is.
- abnercoimbre 5y ago
  It is telling that even you -- an advocate of these things -- have not tried Peertube. Network effects are the main problem. I use Matrix for my conference [0] and the audience has gotten more used to it, but it's been a high friction battle. Thanks for the info. [0] https://handmade-seattle.com https://handmade-seattle.com
  - Shared404 5y ago
    I fully agree. Network effects make this a losing battle, and that will not change until it is forced to - this my advocacy for it to be done via law. I should not that I have and do occasionally watch content on peertube, there's just sadly not much there. The conference looks quite interesting, I'll have to try to watch some of the talks this year!