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Is it just me or does that read like a far-right, Christian, white supremacist screed?

burnoutgal 5y ago
Yup, classic fascist rhetoric. It's not surprising they point to a woman being independent and expressing her sexuality as the example of "degenerate culture". The "other" (people of colour, women, queers) are producing art that represents our own experiences, which is a threat to their desired white hetero-patriarchal order. Never mind that Mozart wrote a ton of filthy shit. People have been obsessed with sex forever
- seibelj 5y ago
  I think the comment about the music is ridiculous, but the broader point about free money causing the gradual degradation of food, housing, standard of living, etc. is not without merit.
  - batrachos 5y ago
    > free money causing the gradual degradation of food, housing, standard of living, etc. is not without merit. First, you have to establish that degradation has taken place. Considering that for most of civilizational history, the vast majority of people were wearing rags and eating grain porridge without spice or much salt and living in hovels, that doesn't seem obvious to me. Second, even if you do establish that, you have to specifically tie it to "fiat" currency and not some other factor. Those both seem like a tall order.
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    Degradation of food? Housing? Do you know what people ate when Bach was alive? Or in what conditions most people lived?
    - cuteboy19 5y ago
      It doesn't matter. Facts don't matter if you have spent significant amount of your life savings into magic internet money. Any news is contructed into 'this is good for bitcoin'. Even history itself is malleable, everything can be blamed on fiat (even though Bitcoin itself is fiat).
    - cdiddy2 5y ago
      Well we are approaching half of americans having a chronic disease and a large part of that is from what we eat along with lack of exercise. it does seem like we have a degradation of the nutrients in our food supply as well. https://www.fightchronicdisease.org/sites/default/files/docs/GrowingCrisisofChronicDiseaseintheUSfactsheet_81009.pdf https://www.fightchronicdisease.org/sites/default/files/docs... https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/vanishing-nutrients/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/vanishing-...
      - majormajor 5y ago
        "Times were better when we didn't have enough to eat, curse this surplus and our lack of self control!" Strange to see such paternalism about people making unhealthy dietary choices from a crowd I mostly associate with libertarian thinking.
        cdiddy2 5y ago
        I don't think libertarians believe that government subsidy leading to monocropping is inline with their way of thinking.
        majormajor 5y ago
        What's really being said here is "people need to make better nutrition choices." Or can you support a claim that highly processed super-tasty engineered and mass-produced food is purely a function of ag subsidies? And that there would be no market pressure to create such a thing in your world.
      - UncleMeat 5y ago
        There has never been a time in human history where a smaller percentage of the population faced starvation. Actual wars were fought over access to spices I can buy for three dollars at the supermarket. Small changes in per-unit micronutrient quantities are not the cause of modern obesity. If you do want to make some claim that worldwide nutrition was better at some point in the past, that point was definitely not when Bach was alive.
  - davidgerard 5y ago
    This is ridiculously, hilariously false. If you don't think so, please detail the precise degradations, with numbers.
  - uoaei 5y ago
    History does not have origin in French parlors, mon ami.
  - 8note 5y ago
    The factors leading to the dust bowl in the 1930s happened under the gold standard. The government is prioritizing the wrong things, which is leading to today's degradation of food, but lack of government intervention also results in the degradation of food. Housing quality and standard of living are at their best ever - if free money is causing that, thats not a terrible outcome
  - AniseAbyss 5y ago
    My grandfather was born in a shack and he had to share clothes with his brother. The past wasn't a fairytale.
rvz 5y ago
Maybe if you have been chasing or watching imaginary nazis in computer games, movies and on the 'news' in the last four years perhaps? If a claim is without any evidence and has no substance, it can be easily dismissed and ignored. Not every silly, baseless conspiracy theory has an immediate association with the 'far-right' or with 'Christian, white supremacists' and especially not this one. As long as they have zero evidence and they are unable to substantiate it, who cares? We already know bitcoin has failed being a peer-to-peer electronic cash system and it is still useless as a currency.
- skulk 5y ago
  This quote: > He compared the art of the Renaissance, Classical, and Romantic periods, all financed properly with sound money, to the decadent culture of the twenty-first century, with its “animalistic noises’’ and “immediate sensory pleasures.’’ Does seem a lot like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art
invalidOrTaken 5y ago
To those of us who are far-right, Christian, and have noticed the lack of distinction that seems to be applied between say, David Duke, and Chris Rufo, this is not the takedown-by-association you seem to think it is.
- shralpmeister 5y ago
  It was not intended as a take down. Thanks for clarifying. It's becoming clearer that Bitcoin is the "currency" of the far right. For those of us who consider this ideology abhorrent and counter to the ideals of a free and democratic society it's good to have that out on the table and on full display.
  - rvz 5y ago
    > It's becoming clearer that Bitcoin is the "currency" of the far right. Does this extend to all cryptocurrencies or is it just Bitcoin? A Ukrainian organization called 'Come back Alive' who have just been de-platformed by Patreon [0] are now turning to Bitcoin donations [1]. Does that make them far right? Or maybe the starving Afghans who are under sanctions due to the Taliban are trying to survive by using Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies managed and accepted by NGOs helping them survive [2]. Perhaps they are all far-right too? [0] https://blog.patreon.com/on-the-removal-of-come-back-alive https://blog.patreon.com/on-the-removal-of-come-back-alive [1] https://decrypt.co/93810/patreon-suspends-ukrainian-ngo-come-back-alive-for-funding-military-activity https://decrypt.co/93810/patreon-suspends-ukrainian-ngo-come... [2] https://theintercept.com/2022/01/19/crypto-afghanistan-sanctions-taliban/ https://theintercept.com/2022/01/19/crypto-afghanistan-sanct...
  - jmstfv 5y ago
    Bitcoin is neutral. It will be used by people and groups you like and dislike. And the great thing is that neither you nor anyone else can do anything about it.
- floodyberry- 5y ago
  You are inside a cult, complaining that people outside have not differentiated levels of extremes inside the cult, and therefore you do not view being similar to the cult as a bad thing. This is not a defense of the cult you seem to think it is.
mistrial9 5y ago
no it must be far-left, Shinto, yellow supremacist. Wait! look in your closet, there is one now! quick! get them and post about it

Yup, classic fascist rhetoric. It's not surprising they point to a woman being independent and expressing her sexuality as the example of "degenerate culture". The "other" (people of colour, women, queers) are producing art that represents our own experiences, which is a threat to their desired white hetero-patriarchal order. Never mind that Mozart wrote a ton of filthy shit. People have been obsessed with sex forever

seibelj 5y ago
I think the comment about the music is ridiculous, but the broader point about free money causing the gradual degradation of food, housing, standard of living, etc. is not without merit.
- batrachos 5y ago
  > free money causing the gradual degradation of food, housing, standard of living, etc. is not without merit. First, you have to establish that degradation has taken place. Considering that for most of civilizational history, the vast majority of people were wearing rags and eating grain porridge without spice or much salt and living in hovels, that doesn't seem obvious to me. Second, even if you do establish that, you have to specifically tie it to "fiat" currency and not some other factor. Those both seem like a tall order.
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  Degradation of food? Housing? Do you know what people ate when Bach was alive? Or in what conditions most people lived?
  - cuteboy19 5y ago
    It doesn't matter. Facts don't matter if you have spent significant amount of your life savings into magic internet money. Any news is contructed into 'this is good for bitcoin'. Even history itself is malleable, everything can be blamed on fiat (even though Bitcoin itself is fiat).
  - cdiddy2 5y ago
    Well we are approaching half of americans having a chronic disease and a large part of that is from what we eat along with lack of exercise. it does seem like we have a degradation of the nutrients in our food supply as well. https://www.fightchronicdisease.org/sites/default/files/docs/GrowingCrisisofChronicDiseaseintheUSfactsheet_81009.pdf https://www.fightchronicdisease.org/sites/default/files/docs... https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/vanishing-nutrients/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/vanishing-...
    - majormajor 5y ago
      "Times were better when we didn't have enough to eat, curse this surplus and our lack of self control!" Strange to see such paternalism about people making unhealthy dietary choices from a crowd I mostly associate with libertarian thinking.
      - cdiddy2 5y ago
        I don't think libertarians believe that government subsidy leading to monocropping is inline with their way of thinking.
        majormajor 5y ago
        What's really being said here is "people need to make better nutrition choices." Or can you support a claim that highly processed super-tasty engineered and mass-produced food is purely a function of ag subsidies? And that there would be no market pressure to create such a thing in your world.
    - UncleMeat 5y ago
      There has never been a time in human history where a smaller percentage of the population faced starvation. Actual wars were fought over access to spices I can buy for three dollars at the supermarket. Small changes in per-unit micronutrient quantities are not the cause of modern obesity. If you do want to make some claim that worldwide nutrition was better at some point in the past, that point was definitely not when Bach was alive.
- davidgerard 5y ago
  This is ridiculously, hilariously false. If you don't think so, please detail the precise degradations, with numbers.
- uoaei 5y ago
  History does not have origin in French parlors, mon ami.
- 8note 5y ago
  The factors leading to the dust bowl in the 1930s happened under the gold standard. The government is prioritizing the wrong things, which is leading to today's degradation of food, but lack of government intervention also results in the degradation of food. Housing quality and standard of living are at their best ever - if free money is causing that, thats not a terrible outcome
- AniseAbyss 5y ago
  My grandfather was born in a shack and he had to share clothes with his brother. The past wasn't a fairytale.

rvz 5y ago

Maybe if you have been chasing or watching imaginary nazis in computer games, movies and on the 'news' in the last four years perhaps? If a claim is without any evidence and has no substance, it can be easily dismissed and ignored. Not every silly, baseless conspiracy theory has an immediate association with the 'far-right' or with 'Christian, white supremacists' and especially not this one. As long as they have zero evidence and they are unable to substantiate it, who cares? We already know bitcoin has failed being a peer-to-peer electronic cash system and it is still useless as a currency.

skulk 5y ago
This quote: > He compared the art of the Renaissance, Classical, and Romantic periods, all financed properly with sound money, to the decadent culture of the twenty-first century, with its “animalistic noises’’ and “immediate sensory pleasures.’’ Does seem a lot like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art

invalidOrTaken 5y ago

To those of us who are far-right, Christian, and have noticed the lack of distinction that seems to be applied between say, David Duke, and Chris Rufo, this is not the takedown-by-association you seem to think it is.

shralpmeister 5y ago
It was not intended as a take down. Thanks for clarifying. It's becoming clearer that Bitcoin is the "currency" of the far right. For those of us who consider this ideology abhorrent and counter to the ideals of a free and democratic society it's good to have that out on the table and on full display.
- rvz 5y ago
  > It's becoming clearer that Bitcoin is the "currency" of the far right. Does this extend to all cryptocurrencies or is it just Bitcoin? A Ukrainian organization called 'Come back Alive' who have just been de-platformed by Patreon [0] are now turning to Bitcoin donations [1]. Does that make them far right? Or maybe the starving Afghans who are under sanctions due to the Taliban are trying to survive by using Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies managed and accepted by NGOs helping them survive [2]. Perhaps they are all far-right too? [0] https://blog.patreon.com/on-the-removal-of-come-back-alive https://blog.patreon.com/on-the-removal-of-come-back-alive [1] https://decrypt.co/93810/patreon-suspends-ukrainian-ngo-come-back-alive-for-funding-military-activity https://decrypt.co/93810/patreon-suspends-ukrainian-ngo-come... [2] https://theintercept.com/2022/01/19/crypto-afghanistan-sanctions-taliban/ https://theintercept.com/2022/01/19/crypto-afghanistan-sanct...
- jmstfv 5y ago
  Bitcoin is neutral. It will be used by people and groups you like and dislike. And the great thing is that neither you nor anyone else can do anything about it.
floodyberry- 5y ago
You are inside a cult, complaining that people outside have not differentiated levels of extremes inside the cult, and therefore you do not view being similar to the cult as a bad thing. This is not a defense of the cult you seem to think it is.

mistrial9 5y ago

no it must be far-left, Shinto, yellow supremacist. Wait! look in your closet, there is one now! quick! get them and post about it