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I think I like this rule in a sense that it will stop intolerant people from creating mess. This is also one reason I left Reddit. However, this also means peop

I think I like this rule in a sense that it will stop intolerant people from creating mess. This is also one reason I left Reddit. However, this also means people wont be vocal and you can't say anything against fascist government. https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
Wondering which is more important - not being called a douchebag online or the gradual death of free speech. Impossible to say.
decremental 5y ago
I can't stand places filled with people preoccupied with things like tolerance and inclusion. Not because I think those things are bad, but because those people always turn out to be insufferable and often insane. Worrying about fascism in this context is extremely ironic given how things are playing out in the west in the name of tolerance and inclusion. The future is not looking very bright. By the way, I realize that just by expressing this opinion I am now a nazi.
- jlcoff 5y ago
- aww_dang 5y ago
  There's nothing more alienating than the allegedly "inclusive" environments. These are the places where I'm accused of racism (against myself?) or being a Russian. It isn't xenophobic when they do it. In the next breath they'll celebrate the noblesse oblige of their guilt. These are the places where individual agency is dismissed. My own experience of pulling myself up by my bootstraps is debunked as a fiction. Is there anything more alienating than being told you do not exist? Yes, I cannot wait to use my real name in these places. What a great opportunity for further harassment from these "inclusive" and "tolerant" people who cannot tolerate dissent or experiences which run counter to their "compassionate" ideologies. Up is down. Liberal is restrictive. Inclusive is alienating. https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/the-lonely-work-of-moderating-hacker-news#:~:text=He%20and%20Gackle%20have%20discussed%20diversifying%20their%20team%2C%20and%20adding%20a%20third%20moderator%20who%20is%20non%2Dwhite%2C%20non%2Dmale%2C%20and%2C%20Bell%20joked%2C%20%E2%80%9Cnon%2Dbalding.%E2%80%9D%20Gackle%20clarified%3A%20%E2%80%9CWe%27ve%20talked%20to%20each%20other%20about%20that.%20But%20we%20wouldn%27t%20make%20it%20a%20requirement.%E2%80%9D https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...
dpratt 5y ago
Just because you judge other people's opinions as 'intolerant' does not excuse support for forcibly revealing anonymity. At the very least, consider the possibility that opinions that you express that are considered widely popular and 'acceptable' today are likely to be viewed as 'hateful' or 'harmful' in the future. Any weapon you wish to use can easily be turned against you, and if we've learned anything from history, it's nearly certain that it will be.
- cute_boi 5y ago
  Maybe there is a way to enforce integrity without revealing anonymity like phone number, credit card number without revealing personal identity or some trusted third party who can verify the identity during registration? I just want to say nobody should be able to get away by posting atrocious things, scams etc.
tehbeard 5y ago
Doxing 2.0, now government approved!
- spansoa 5y ago
  Doxing needs to be /difficult/ though. It can't be super easy to unmask identities online. Law enforcement with probable cause need to subpoena services like Facebook, Reddit, etc to get dirt on people. Otherwise social media will be a sanitized, boring hellscape.
simion314 5y ago
>I think I like this rule in a sense that it will stop intolerant people from creating mess. T There could be better solutions then sending your ID to Facebook. Like limit posting or sharing for accounts that you suspect are bots, apply the terms of service if the post is against that, put limits on new accounts so their posts don't spread.
- cute_boi 5y ago
  Why do you think facebook etc. doesn't try to limit posting etc? They already enforce such step. But when somebody pays these trolls to create new account and spread intolerance what can you do? These are not bots but a real people hired using pennies to spread misinformation.
  - simion314 5y ago
    How does a troll "spread" stuff ? FB does the spreading with the algorithm right? Am I missing something? What I see on FB is people I know share/like dubious shit like "Japan made microwaves oven illegal" , the original "troll" did not put this one my home page, people did not directly sent me that shit, FB decided "let me show this guy that the other guy seen and like this shit article on some other guy page", FB done all the spreading and even if FB had my and all my friends IDs it would not have stopped this stupid shit appeared on my wall (everyone has their real names and birth place, education, family relations setup in FB)

MrBuddyCasino 5y ago

Wondering which is more important - not being called a douchebag online or the gradual death of free speech. Impossible to say.

decremental 5y ago

I can't stand places filled with people preoccupied with things like tolerance and inclusion. Not because I think those things are bad, but because those people always turn out to be insufferable and often insane. Worrying about fascism in this context is extremely ironic given how things are playing out in the west in the name of tolerance and inclusion. The future is not looking very bright. By the way, I realize that just by expressing this opinion I am now a nazi.

jlcoff 5y ago
aww_dang 5y ago
There's nothing more alienating than the allegedly "inclusive" environments. These are the places where I'm accused of racism (against myself?) or being a Russian. It isn't xenophobic when they do it. In the next breath they'll celebrate the noblesse oblige of their guilt. These are the places where individual agency is dismissed. My own experience of pulling myself up by my bootstraps is debunked as a fiction. Is there anything more alienating than being told you do not exist? Yes, I cannot wait to use my real name in these places. What a great opportunity for further harassment from these "inclusive" and "tolerant" people who cannot tolerate dissent or experiences which run counter to their "compassionate" ideologies. Up is down. Liberal is restrictive. Inclusive is alienating. https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/the-lonely-work-of-moderating-hacker-news#:~:text=He%20and%20Gackle%20have%20discussed%20diversifying%20their%20team%2C%20and%20adding%20a%20third%20moderator%20who%20is%20non%2Dwhite%2C%20non%2Dmale%2C%20and%2C%20Bell%20joked%2C%20%E2%80%9Cnon%2Dbalding.%E2%80%9D%20Gackle%20clarified%3A%20%E2%80%9CWe%27ve%20talked%20to%20each%20other%20about%20that.%20But%20we%20wouldn%27t%20make%20it%20a%20requirement.%E2%80%9D https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...

dpratt 5y ago

Just because you judge other people's opinions as 'intolerant' does not excuse support for forcibly revealing anonymity. At the very least, consider the possibility that opinions that you express that are considered widely popular and 'acceptable' today are likely to be viewed as 'hateful' or 'harmful' in the future. Any weapon you wish to use can easily be turned against you, and if we've learned anything from history, it's nearly certain that it will be.

cute_boi 5y ago
Maybe there is a way to enforce integrity without revealing anonymity like phone number, credit card number without revealing personal identity or some trusted third party who can verify the identity during registration? I just want to say nobody should be able to get away by posting atrocious things, scams etc.

tehbeard 5y ago

Doxing 2.0, now government approved!

spansoa 5y ago
Doxing needs to be /difficult/ though. It can't be super easy to unmask identities online. Law enforcement with probable cause need to subpoena services like Facebook, Reddit, etc to get dirt on people. Otherwise social media will be a sanitized, boring hellscape.

simion314 5y ago

>I think I like this rule in a sense that it will stop intolerant people from creating mess. T There could be better solutions then sending your ID to Facebook. Like limit posting or sharing for accounts that you suspect are bots, apply the terms of service if the post is against that, put limits on new accounts so their posts don't spread.

cute_boi 5y ago
Why do you think facebook etc. doesn't try to limit posting etc? They already enforce such step. But when somebody pays these trolls to create new account and spread intolerance what can you do? These are not bots but a real people hired using pennies to spread misinformation.
- simion314 5y ago
  How does a troll "spread" stuff ? FB does the spreading with the algorithm right? Am I missing something? What I see on FB is people I know share/like dubious shit like "Japan made microwaves oven illegal" , the original "troll" did not put this one my home page, people did not directly sent me that shit, FB decided "let me show this guy that the other guy seen and like this shit article on some other guy page", FB done all the spreading and even if FB had my and all my friends IDs it would not have stopped this stupid shit appeared on my wall (everyone has their real names and birth place, education, family relations setup in FB)