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> All of the US mainstream media (except for one) is taking a pro-Ukrainian sovereignty angle Which one would that be? I haven’t seen a single US media outlet

> All of the US mainstream media (except for one) is taking a pro-Ukrainian sovereignty angle Which one would that be? I haven’t seen a single US media outlet saying this is a good thing…

JadeNB 5y ago
> Which one would that be? I haven’t seen a single US media outlet saying this is a good thing… Fox is taking a more strongly pro-Russian stance than most other networks.
- graphpercolator 5y ago
- xanaxagoras 5y ago
  I don't watch Fox News generally so I can't speak to that (though I doubt it). I do watch Tucker Carlson - easily their top rated program - and the notion that he is taking a pro-Russian stance is patently false.
  - selectodude 5y ago
    Russian state television does not agree with you. https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1496905740203827205 https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1496905740203827205
    - yonaguska 5y ago
      So should poster trust his own experience with his own eyes or Russian state television? If an observation is also repurposed as a propaganda piece, does that negate the validity of said observation? I can't stand this bit of logical fallacy that's being used to stifle discussion. You asserted X, but so did some objectionable entity. Therefore, X is false, and you are just as bad as said objectionable entity.
      - selectodude 5y ago
        The poster should maybe have some introspection that if he thinks that Tucker Carlson isn't disgustingly pro-Putin, and Russian state television disagrees so vigorously that they literally threw him up there with subtitles to show how pro-Putin he is, maybe he's, you know, wrong about his assertion.
        xanaxagoras 5y ago
        I saw this episode live and re-watched the clip you posted. This isn't Tucker being pro-Putin and pro-Russian, and it doesn't sway me at all if Russian state television snips a little bit out of context as propaganda - nor should it bother you, having just done so yourself. This was part of a larger point that there's no good reason for America to get involved. I for one would not feel proud of this country if my son dies fighting in a war 5000 miles from my home, lending his young hands to one side of a territorial war that does not effect him, me, or any of us in a direct way. I'd strongly prefer to let the despot and the figurehead of the sham democracy we installed sort it out for themselves. The rest of it is culture war stuff, and while I don't take it extremely seriously, I feel the same way about the things he brings up and I think he's fun. There are a lot of people who feel the same way as I do and you can't malign or name-call us out of our opinions.
        psyc 5y ago
        Carlson's manner of speech here is intended to make you take a giant step back, look, and think. This is very threatening to people for whom beliefs are packages you subscribe to, not things you arrive at with effort. Folks can make anybody sound any way by cherry-picking sound bites out of context. I see it happen constantly here.
        vba616 5y ago
        I remember when we were told that if we voted for Hillary Clinton, it would lead to war because she was a warmonger. Well, we did, and now...
  - coolso 5y ago
    It’s crazy how many news organizations are complaining about Russian propaganda, and then out of the other side of their mouths are using propaganda to strongly imply if not outright state (falsely) that Fox is supporting Russia and Putin’s invasion. The media’s “don’t question or stray from what we tell you to think in the slightest or we’ll use whatever name we want to drag your name and character through the mud” just makes me and everyone else distrust the media even more.
  - PenguinCoder 5y ago
    > I do watch Tucker Carlson Why? What does watching his shows or segments get you?
    - coffeecat 5y ago
      He's obnoxious, but also funny and entertaining. It's a guilty pleasure, not an alternative to intelligent commentary. Enjoyable for the same reasons as South Park.
selectodude 5y ago
A decent amount of Fox News programming is ending up on Russian state television to show that the US supports the invasion into Ukraine.
- leereeves 5y ago
  Can you cite any examples? Looking at Fox's coverage online [1], I don't see anything suggesting the US (or Fox) supports the invasion. 1: https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/conflicts/ukraine https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/conflicts/ukraine
  - selectodude 5y ago
    https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1496905740203827205 https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1496905740203827205
ziml77 5y ago
I'm specifically not calling them out since their opinion may have shifted since the latest escalations of the conflict. I added that parenthetical because I expected without it that I might see an onslaught of comments from people saying that not all of the US mainstream media is in agreement that Russia is in the wrong here. But it's sounding like the parenthetical actually makes my statement wrong... I lost the coin flip I guess

> All of the US mainstream media (except for one) is taking a pro-Ukrainian sovereignty angle Which one would that be? I haven’t seen a single US media outlet saying this is a good thing…

JadeNB 5y ago

> Which one would that be? I haven’t seen a single US media outlet saying this is a good thing… Fox is taking a more strongly pro-Russian stance than most other networks.

graphpercolator 5y ago
xanaxagoras 5y ago
I don't watch Fox News generally so I can't speak to that (though I doubt it). I do watch Tucker Carlson - easily their top rated program - and the notion that he is taking a pro-Russian stance is patently false.
- selectodude 5y ago
  Russian state television does not agree with you. https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1496905740203827205 https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1496905740203827205
  - yonaguska 5y ago
    So should poster trust his own experience with his own eyes or Russian state television? If an observation is also repurposed as a propaganda piece, does that negate the validity of said observation? I can't stand this bit of logical fallacy that's being used to stifle discussion. You asserted X, but so did some objectionable entity. Therefore, X is false, and you are just as bad as said objectionable entity.
    - selectodude 5y ago
      The poster should maybe have some introspection that if he thinks that Tucker Carlson isn't disgustingly pro-Putin, and Russian state television disagrees so vigorously that they literally threw him up there with subtitles to show how pro-Putin he is, maybe he's, you know, wrong about his assertion.
      - xanaxagoras 5y ago
        I saw this episode live and re-watched the clip you posted. This isn't Tucker being pro-Putin and pro-Russian, and it doesn't sway me at all if Russian state television snips a little bit out of context as propaganda - nor should it bother you, having just done so yourself. This was part of a larger point that there's no good reason for America to get involved. I for one would not feel proud of this country if my son dies fighting in a war 5000 miles from my home, lending his young hands to one side of a territorial war that does not effect him, me, or any of us in a direct way. I'd strongly prefer to let the despot and the figurehead of the sham democracy we installed sort it out for themselves. The rest of it is culture war stuff, and while I don't take it extremely seriously, I feel the same way about the things he brings up and I think he's fun. There are a lot of people who feel the same way as I do and you can't malign or name-call us out of our opinions.
        psyc 5y ago
        Carlson's manner of speech here is intended to make you take a giant step back, look, and think. This is very threatening to people for whom beliefs are packages you subscribe to, not things you arrive at with effort. Folks can make anybody sound any way by cherry-picking sound bites out of context. I see it happen constantly here.
        vba616 5y ago
        I remember when we were told that if we voted for Hillary Clinton, it would lead to war because she was a warmonger. Well, we did, and now...
- coolso 5y ago
  It’s crazy how many news organizations are complaining about Russian propaganda, and then out of the other side of their mouths are using propaganda to strongly imply if not outright state (falsely) that Fox is supporting Russia and Putin’s invasion. The media’s “don’t question or stray from what we tell you to think in the slightest or we’ll use whatever name we want to drag your name and character through the mud” just makes me and everyone else distrust the media even more.
- PenguinCoder 5y ago
  > I do watch Tucker Carlson Why? What does watching his shows or segments get you?
  - coffeecat 5y ago
    He's obnoxious, but also funny and entertaining. It's a guilty pleasure, not an alternative to intelligent commentary. Enjoyable for the same reasons as South Park.

selectodude 5y ago

A decent amount of Fox News programming is ending up on Russian state television to show that the US supports the invasion into Ukraine.

leereeves 5y ago
Can you cite any examples? Looking at Fox's coverage online [1], I don't see anything suggesting the US (or Fox) supports the invasion. 1: https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/conflicts/ukraine https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/conflicts/ukraine
- selectodude 5y ago
  https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1496905740203827205 https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1496905740203827205

ziml77 5y ago

I'm specifically not calling them out since their opinion may have shifted since the latest escalations of the conflict. I added that parenthetical because I expected without it that I might see an onslaught of comments from people saying that not all of the US mainstream media is in agreement that Russia is in the wrong here. But it's sounding like the parenthetical actually makes my statement wrong... I lost the coin flip I guess