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> I've never heard him acknowledge the irony of how he's living. I don't have an exact source, but I remember him saying how he didn't really want to end up in

> I've never heard him acknowledge the irony of how he's living. I don't have an exact source, but I remember him saying how he didn't really want to end up in Russia, how he hasn't adapted super well to it and how he would like to go back to the US if allowed a fair trial.

roblabla 5y ago
His original goal was to go to Ecuador for asylum. His passport was revoked while he was waiting for his connecting flight in Russia, ending up with him stuck there[0]. His end-goal was never to end up in Russia. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Russia
- kerneloftruth 5y ago
  Yes, but now he's silent about what goes on in his new home, regardless how he got there. He could at least acknowledge the irony. And maybe note that now he really is in a place where human rights are minimal.
  - belval 5y ago
    I am fairly certain that he is fully aware of the irony. However he's not in any position to criticize Russia because it will lead to immediate deportation.
  - pydry 5y ago
    >Yes, but now he's silent about what goes on in his new home, regardless how he got there. He could at least acknowledge the irony. He already almost martyred himself once to bring us the truth. Why are you demanding he does it again to tell us something everybody already knows?
bena 5y ago
"A fair trial". That's a loaded term. Does he assume he shouldn't serve time for what he did? Snowden is a complicated figure because the core that the U.S. government was surveilling its own people beyond its bounds was correct. But he did kind of leak a whole bunch of shit not related to that as well. And that ain't cool. He kind of has to accept that he's going to go to jail and he's never going to work with sensitive information ever again.
- leto_ii 5y ago
  I think by fair trial he means he doesn't want to be tried under the Espionage Act of 1917 which would allow the trial to be secretized, for the evidence to be withed from the jury etc. I'm writing the details from memory, so some might be inaccurate, but that's the gist I got. EDIT: Here's a bit of clarification (quick find on Google, not necessarily the most comprehensive): https://www.france24.com/en/20190916-snowden-says-he-would-return-to-us-if-he-can-get-a-fair-trial https://www.france24.com/en/20190916-snowden-says-he-would-r...
  - bena 5y ago
    That's the thing, he could mean that. It's equally likely he means something else. Until he defines what "fair" means, we can't know.

roblabla 5y ago

His original goal was to go to Ecuador for asylum. His passport was revoked while he was waiting for his connecting flight in Russia, ending up with him stuck there[0]. His end-goal was never to end up in Russia. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Russia

kerneloftruth 5y ago
Yes, but now he's silent about what goes on in his new home, regardless how he got there. He could at least acknowledge the irony. And maybe note that now he really is in a place where human rights are minimal.
- belval 5y ago
  I am fairly certain that he is fully aware of the irony. However he's not in any position to criticize Russia because it will lead to immediate deportation.
- pydry 5y ago
  >Yes, but now he's silent about what goes on in his new home, regardless how he got there. He could at least acknowledge the irony. He already almost martyred himself once to bring us the truth. Why are you demanding he does it again to tell us something everybody already knows?

bena 5y ago

"A fair trial". That's a loaded term. Does he assume he shouldn't serve time for what he did? Snowden is a complicated figure because the core that the U.S. government was surveilling its own people beyond its bounds was correct. But he did kind of leak a whole bunch of shit not related to that as well. And that ain't cool. He kind of has to accept that he's going to go to jail and he's never going to work with sensitive information ever again.

leto_ii 5y ago
I think by fair trial he means he doesn't want to be tried under the Espionage Act of 1917 which would allow the trial to be secretized, for the evidence to be withed from the jury etc. I'm writing the details from memory, so some might be inaccurate, but that's the gist I got. EDIT: Here's a bit of clarification (quick find on Google, not necessarily the most comprehensive): https://www.france24.com/en/20190916-snowden-says-he-would-return-to-us-if-he-can-get-a-fair-trial https://www.france24.com/en/20190916-snowden-says-he-would-r...
- bena 5y ago
  That's the thing, he could mean that. It's equally likely he means something else. Until he defines what "fair" means, we can't know.