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Sad thing is that now with conscription, if you are male 18-55, Ukraine side will force you to fight that war, at least as far as I understand it. What a fucke

• tut-urut-utut 5y ago
• crate_barre 5y ago
  I think we underestimated what Nuclear weapons actually did to the world. The countries that don’t have it are pretty much sitting ducks unless a Nuclear power is willing to defend them. We cannot defend Ukraine against the most unjustifiable war ever, and they can’t defend themselves.
  • vkou 5y ago
    NATO could have defended it, but it didn't want to. Nothing stopped it from moving in four months ago. Putin wasn't going to start a suicidal nuclear war over it. MAD only works to deter against existential threats. Not being able to invade a neighbour is not an existential threat. Being invaded can be one, though.
  • newuser94303 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons for security assurances. The lesson is that if you have nuclear weapons, you do not get attacked - North Korea. You also get to attack other countries. Russia, USA.
    • 5040 5y ago
      Is this an argument for general prolifération of nuclear arms, for defensive purposes?
    • cute_boi 5y ago
      Idk why people always brings this up, but those nuclear weapons never belonged to Ukrainians. Soviet Union was the controller and had codes of it. It would be never in the hand of Ukraine.
• tablespoon 5y ago
  >> Sad thing is that now with conscription, if you are male 18-55, Ukraine side will force you to fight that war, at least as far as I understand it. > What a fucked up world we live in… It's fucked up that it was attacked, it's not fucked up that there are social expectations for its citizens to rise to its defence in its time of need.
  • moonchrome 5y ago
    I thought about this, my country went trough a civil war 30 years ago. Since the independence "our" government has just been about splitting the spoils of war between the elites. Between me and my families I think we own one house that's not worth anything because of it's location and my apartment which I'm still paying off. So if my country got attacked I would grab my family and leave without a second thought - let the people who divided the profits and live off the benefits defend it - I would be just as well in any other country. Now if it came to world war and it was Russia and China taking over the west I would feel differently about it - but in that case it's a nuclear armageddon so I could probably do shit.
    • hogrider 5y ago
      Even at the heught of the nation state as the sole ordering institution in your life I always wondered what compells people to fight for their country other than self defense ofc. At the end of the day you will still be serving the elites when it's all over. Most times they didn't take good care of the veterans. Really no incentive to fight hard other than you were conscripted and treason carries the death penalty.
      • sangnoir 5y ago
        > At the end of the day you will still be serving the elites when it's all over What's the alternative? Not fight and become occupied and likely oppressed - is that a better choice? Or flee and become a war refugee? The average citizen doesn't have highly sought-after skills in other countries, they are likely to go to a refugee camp for months and years. So, some people choose to fight for their families, friends, and preserving their way of life. I think defending the in-group from an aggressive out-group is a perfectly reasonable, ingrained human response.