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Do you really think Ukraine has a reasonable chance of resisting this invasion? It doesn't look like it to me. So what are you offering other than prolonging th

Do you really think Ukraine has a reasonable chance of resisting this invasion? It doesn't look like it to me. So what are you offering other than prolonging the agony?

drran 5y ago
Ukraine resists for 8 years straight. How many years you need to accept that Ukraine is stronger than RF?
jacquesm 5y ago
Ah the 'lets roll over for the enemy' group. Yes, we had those here in NL as well when WWII broke out. Let's just say that when the invaders eventually left - as they always do - that group didn't fare particularly well. It's called cowardice, if coupled with actions that benefit the enemy it's called collaboration and is usually dealt with for what it is: treason. I have no dog in this particular race other than that I know both a number of Russians and a number of Ukrainians so consider my views 'balanced' for what that is worth: down with Putin, and I hope that the Russian soldiers know that they may win the initial push but the price will be substantial and eventually they will lose. The weird thing is that if anything the result of this is that NATO will expand, precisely to ward of this sort of idiocy. As for agony: some prefer to fight rather than to suffer under an invader, which is a special kind of agony, which tends to last a lot longer and which will endanger not just you but also your family, your children and so on. Russia has a long history of invading other countries and it invariably spells utter misery for the occupied people.
- mschuster91 5y ago
  > The weird thing is that if anything the result of this is that NATO will expand, precisely to ward of this sort of idiocy. And many seem to have forgotten under Putin's propaganda of "the NATO provocations" that the free and democratic societies of the former Soviet Union / Eastern Bloc chose to join NATO after Russia's military actions, particularly after the events of 1991-1996 (Transnistria conflict, Abchasian separatist conflict, "intervention" in Chechnya). It is the fault of Russian politics that NATO is so close to its borders!
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    No, that's easy for you to say from a country that has never been occupied.
ptr 5y ago
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" Of course they have a chance. Their current strength is about 465k men (and women). Add on top the general mobilization happening now. They're also strongly motivated, which the Russians aren't. Ukraine can definitely do this. Also, giving up doesn't guarantee people will be safe. Russian occupation forces aren't usually very nice.
modo_mario 5y ago
Did Ireland ever have a reasonable chance of resisting British invasion? Did Afghanistan ever have a reasonable chance of resisting Soviet/US invasion? Did Vietnam ever have a reasonable chance of resisting US/Chinese invasion?
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  Northern Ireland has never looked so close to reunification and that is largely because the republicans renounced their violence.
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
Would you have thought the Taliban and IS did in e.g. Afghanistan? Twenty years later and the US got tired of trying, pulled out, and they're back in power. They can't win a guerilla war.

Do you really think Ukraine has a reasonable chance of resisting this invasion? It doesn't look like it to me. So what are you offering other than prolonging the agony?

drran 5y ago

Ukraine resists for 8 years straight. How many years you need to accept that Ukraine is stronger than RF?

jacquesm 5y ago

Ah the 'lets roll over for the enemy' group. Yes, we had those here in NL as well when WWII broke out. Let's just say that when the invaders eventually left - as they always do - that group didn't fare particularly well. It's called cowardice, if coupled with actions that benefit the enemy it's called collaboration and is usually dealt with for what it is: treason. I have no dog in this particular race other than that I know both a number of Russians and a number of Ukrainians so consider my views 'balanced' for what that is worth: down with Putin, and I hope that the Russian soldiers know that they may win the initial push but the price will be substantial and eventually they will lose. The weird thing is that if anything the result of this is that NATO will expand, precisely to ward of this sort of idiocy. As for agony: some prefer to fight rather than to suffer under an invader, which is a special kind of agony, which tends to last a lot longer and which will endanger not just you but also your family, your children and so on. Russia has a long history of invading other countries and it invariably spells utter misery for the occupied people.

mschuster91 5y ago
> The weird thing is that if anything the result of this is that NATO will expand, precisely to ward of this sort of idiocy. And many seem to have forgotten under Putin's propaganda of "the NATO provocations" that the free and democratic societies of the former Soviet Union / Eastern Bloc chose to join NATO after Russia's military actions, particularly after the events of 1991-1996 (Transnistria conflict, Abchasian separatist conflict, "intervention" in Chechnya). It is the fault of Russian politics that NATO is so close to its borders!
tonyedgecombe 5y ago
- jacquesm 5y ago
  No, that's easy for you to say from a country that has never been occupied.

ptr 5y ago

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" Of course they have a chance. Their current strength is about 465k men (and women). Add on top the general mobilization happening now. They're also strongly motivated, which the Russians aren't. Ukraine can definitely do this. Also, giving up doesn't guarantee people will be safe. Russian occupation forces aren't usually very nice.

modo_mario 5y ago

Did Ireland ever have a reasonable chance of resisting British invasion? Did Afghanistan ever have a reasonable chance of resisting Soviet/US invasion? Did Vietnam ever have a reasonable chance of resisting US/Chinese invasion?

tonyedgecombe 5y ago
Northern Ireland has never looked so close to reunification and that is largely because the republicans renounced their violence.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

Would you have thought the Taliban and IS did in e.g. Afghanistan? Twenty years later and the US got tired of trying, pulled out, and they're back in power. They can't win a guerilla war.