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"We don’t allow Patreon to be used for funding weapons or military activity." What is this then? https://www.patreon.com/search?q=guns https://www.patreon.com/s

by jensgk 5y ago

"We don’t allow Patreon to be used for funding weapons or military activity." What is this then? https://www.patreon.com/search?q=guns https://www.patreon.com/search?q=guns

typeofhuman 5y ago
None of those are fundraising for weapons or military activity. They all seem to be videos or blogging fundraisers.
- bpolovko 5y ago
  Oh, yeah! They definitely use that money only to pay for internet bills
  - koonsolo 5y ago
    Patreon money goes into their left pocket. When they buy guns, they pay with their right pocket. Internet bills are indeed paid with their left pocket ;).
    - mysterydip 5y ago
      "different colors of money" as the government says
    - unfocussed_mike 5y ago
      Pocket to pocket gas fees are getting totally out of hand.
  - alexb_ 5y ago
    I mean, this is like saying that anyone who makes an income on Patreon can't buy guns with said income...
  - typeofhuman 5y ago
    This screenshot of Come Back Alive's[0] listing made it clear the fundraiser was for actual munitions. Perhaps they should have obfuscated what their intentions were. [0] https://bit.ly/3McywUi https://bit.ly/3McywUi
- teclordphrack2 5y ago
mrtksn 5y ago
I don't see how these are comparable. If the Iraq war had happened today, would you be able to use the same arguments for patreons who collect money against the British and US invaders who used imaginary WMD[0] as pretext? I believe it is very clear that it is impossible for legally operating institutions to collect funds for wars without direct governmental involvement or blessing as these are complex matters that you don't want to end up on the wrong side when things settle. The Iraqi WMD were found to be imaginary much later, not at the time of operations and in this alternative timeline, Patreon could have ended as the company that facilitated the collection of funds for WMD operators. It's very different from facilitating the collection of funds for creation of weapon related media. No person in right mind would want to be involved in collecting funds for armed conflicts unless actively takes sides. Even humanitarian aid is risky as it is often used as a cover for military operations, so you will need solid guarantees - preferably from the state actors that you are abiding with. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7634313 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7634313
rvz 5y ago
This is an example of whataboutism at its finest. Where is the 'call to military action' or 'call for violence' with guns or anything that is funding an active military campaign in your link? There is none. This is a 'private platform' doing private platform things and they can decide to do business with whoever they want to and will point to anything that breaks their ToS. Don't like it? Use cryptocurrencies for donations then.
- User23 5y ago
  “Whataboutism” is a really stupid name for the Socratic method.
  - nurettin 5y ago
    What do you mean by the Socratic method?
    - klyrs 5y ago
      Just Asking Questions, probably.
      - nurettin 5y ago
        My point exactly.
HideousKojima 5y ago
Civilian-owned firearms enthusiasts are not "military activity."
dragonwriter 5y ago
Mostly video and other media creation about guns (not funding “weaponry or other military activity”), some things that have the string “guns” in a brand name but which aren't, by description, particular even about guns as a subject matter (“Gunsmoke Games” which uses it to fund...Dating Sims). Even as Whataboutism goes that's pretty weak sauce.

by jensgk 5y ago

"We don’t allow Patreon to be used for funding weapons or military activity." What is this then? https://www.patreon.com/search?q=guns https://www.patreon.com/search?q=guns

typeofhuman 5y ago

None of those are fundraising for weapons or military activity. They all seem to be videos or blogging fundraisers.

bpolovko 5y ago
Oh, yeah! They definitely use that money only to pay for internet bills
- koonsolo 5y ago
  Patreon money goes into their left pocket. When they buy guns, they pay with their right pocket. Internet bills are indeed paid with their left pocket ;).
  - mysterydip 5y ago
    "different colors of money" as the government says
  - unfocussed_mike 5y ago
    Pocket to pocket gas fees are getting totally out of hand.
- alexb_ 5y ago
  I mean, this is like saying that anyone who makes an income on Patreon can't buy guns with said income...
- typeofhuman 5y ago
  This screenshot of Come Back Alive's[0] listing made it clear the fundraiser was for actual munitions. Perhaps they should have obfuscated what their intentions were. [0] https://bit.ly/3McywUi https://bit.ly/3McywUi
teclordphrack2 5y ago

mrtksn 5y ago

I don't see how these are comparable. If the Iraq war had happened today, would you be able to use the same arguments for patreons who collect money against the British and US invaders who used imaginary WMD[0] as pretext? I believe it is very clear that it is impossible for legally operating institutions to collect funds for wars without direct governmental involvement or blessing as these are complex matters that you don't want to end up on the wrong side when things settle. The Iraqi WMD were found to be imaginary much later, not at the time of operations and in this alternative timeline, Patreon could have ended as the company that facilitated the collection of funds for WMD operators. It's very different from facilitating the collection of funds for creation of weapon related media. No person in right mind would want to be involved in collecting funds for armed conflicts unless actively takes sides. Even humanitarian aid is risky as it is often used as a cover for military operations, so you will need solid guarantees - preferably from the state actors that you are abiding with. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7634313 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7634313

rvz 5y ago

This is an example of whataboutism at its finest. Where is the 'call to military action' or 'call for violence' with guns or anything that is funding an active military campaign in your link? There is none. This is a 'private platform' doing private platform things and they can decide to do business with whoever they want to and will point to anything that breaks their ToS. Don't like it? Use cryptocurrencies for donations then.

User23 5y ago
“Whataboutism” is a really stupid name for the Socratic method.
- nurettin 5y ago
  What do you mean by the Socratic method?
  - klyrs 5y ago
    Just Asking Questions, probably.
    - nurettin 5y ago
      My point exactly.

HideousKojima 5y ago

Civilian-owned firearms enthusiasts are not "military activity."

dragonwriter 5y ago

Mostly video and other media creation about guns (not funding “weaponry or other military activity”), some things that have the string “guns” in a brand name but which aren't, by description, particular even about guns as a subject matter (“Gunsmoke Games” which uses it to fund...Dating Sims). Even as Whataboutism goes that's pretty weak sauce.