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If anyone wants to support Ukraine defense directly, please use: https://ukraine.ua/news/support-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine/ https://ukraine.ua/news/support-t

If anyone wants to support Ukraine defense directly, please use: https://ukraine.ua/news/support-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine/ https://ukraine.ua/news/support-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine/ or https://ukraine.ua/news/donate-to-the-nbu-fund/ https://ukraine.ua/news/donate-to-the-nbu-fund/ this is a bit of a hassle, as UA government agencies can accept donations only through wire transfers, but that's just a few clicks in the banking app anyway.

praptak 5y ago
Anybody can confirm whether ukraine.ua is legit? Their SSL certificate is issued to sni.cloudflaressl.com, which says nothing about whoever owns ukraine.ua. I'd say this one looks a bit more legit: https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-sp...
- crtasm 5y ago
  FWIW, https://ukraine.ua/ https://ukraine.ua/ is linked from https://mfa.gov.ua/ https://mfa.gov.ua/ ("Офіційний сайт України" in the footer)
  - app4soft 5y ago
    Correct. Site https://ukraine.ua/ https://ukraine.ua/ is official Ukraine promotion platform, created & managed by Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine. Site https://mfa.gov.ua/ https://mfa.gov.ua/ is official site of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine. Here some other related official links (due to Ukrainian gov sites are DDoS'ed periodically): - https://twitter.com/MFA_Ukraine https://twitter.com/MFA_Ukraine (Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine) - https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba (Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine) - https://twitter.com/DefenceU https://twitter.com/DefenceU (Ministry of Defense of Ukraine)
- exikyut 5y ago
  Googling the IBAN (UA458201720313281002302018611) finds search results [1] from sites including treasury.gov.ua [2], mil.gov.ua [3] and 24tv.ua [4]. I currently see only 23 results for the IBAN code, but I blame this on the newness/novelty of the information and a suspicion that Google's keyword indexing engine doesn't particularly like rare/unique terms (both when parsing queries and tokenizing page content). Googling the USREOU [4] code (00034022) leads me to discover [5] that this code maps into an open-data public register that several search/scrape services [6,7,8,9,10] identify (with the help of Google Translate) as the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense. A cursory examination suggests that all of these services seem to 100% corroborate each other. The MFI (820172) is a very simple/common query/construction that returns junk/irrelevant results without further context. I wondered if this number being incorrect would cause a transaction to irreversibly "commit" but not go to the correct destination (or anywhere), so I tried to understand its significance. It's a Monetary Financial Institution code [11], part of a European banking standard that Ukraine participated in until it very recently switched to IBAN in 2020 (!) [12]. Critically, while the format of an IBAN (International Bank Account Number) seems (my speculation!) to be up to the implementer to format (seemingly within some loose guidelines... again, speculation), the way Ukraine is doing it is they are embedding the MFI code into the IBAN: UA45𝟴𝟮𝟬𝟭𝟳𝟮313…. Thus the MFI is provided by the MOD likely for bureaucracy purposes, and if it is needed at all it is encoded redundantly into the IBAN in any case. Yay. **Disclaimer**: I encourage challenging and fact-checking the rationale presented here before proceeding. (The registry information [6..10] is honestly mildly interesting.) Thankyou for coming to my Wikipedia comment (this was fun!), dodge the citations as you go past :P [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=UA458201720313281002302018611 https://www.google.com/search?q=UA45820172031328100230201861... [2] https://www.treasury.gov.ua/ua/dopomoga-na-materialno-tehnichne-ta-medichne-zabezpechennya-zbrojnih-sil-ukrayini https://www.treasury.gov.ua/ua/dopomoga-na-materialno-tehnic... [3] https://www.mil.gov.ua/dopomoga-na-materialno-tehnichne-ta-medichne-zabezpechennya-zbrojnih-sil-ukraini.html https://www.mil.gov.ua/dopomoga-na-materialno-tehnichne-ta-m... [4] https://24tv.ua/ru/finansovo-podderzhat-ukrainskuju-armiju-oficialnye-scheta_n1877181 https://24tv.ua/ru/finansovo-podderzhat-ukrainskuju-armiju-o..., https://24tv.ua/mzs-otrimalo-bagato-zvernen-za-kordonu-shhodo-finansovoyi-dopomogti_n1877055 https://24tv.ua/mzs-otrimalo-bagato-zvernen-za-kordonu-shhod... [4] https://www.allacronyms.com/USREOU https://www.allacronyms.com/USREOU - "Unified State Register of Enterprises and Organizations of Ukraine" [5] https://www.google.com/search?q=00034022 https://www.google.com/search?q=00034022 [6] https://youcontrol.com.ua/en/catalog/company_details/00034022/ https://youcontrol.com.ua/en/catalog/company_details/0003402... [7] https://opendatabot.ua/c/00034022 https://opendatabot.ua/c/00034022 [8] https://dozorro.org/profile/UA-EDR-00034022/5/role1 https://dozorro.org/profile/UA-EDR-00034022/5/role1 [9] https://clarity-project.info/tenderer/00034022 https://clarity-project.info/tenderer/00034022 [10] https://izi.trade/tenders/companies/00034022 https://izi.trade/tenders/companies/00034022 [11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_Financial_Institutions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_Financial_Institution... [12] https://about.pumb.ua/en/info/iban https://about.pumb.ua/en/info/iban [13] https://bank.com.ua/en/news/zaprovadzhennya-mizhnarodnogo-nomera-bankivskogo-rahunku-iban https://bank.com.ua/en/news/zaprovadzhennya-mizhnarodnogo-no... [14] https://www.iban.com/banks/privatbank https://www.iban.com/banks/privatbank [15] https://en.privatbank.ua/iban https://en.privatbank.ua/iban
- weird-eye-issue 5y ago
  Well how do you think they got Cloudflare to issue a cert on their behalf? By proving ownership of the domain...
  - renewiltord 5y ago
    Oh, hang on. Let me get the SSL certificate for “definitelyukrainegovernment.com”. Then you can donate money to the Ukraine gov on that site too.
    - weird-eye-issue 5y ago
      Well I wouldn't judge the authenticity of a site based on the SSL cert which the OP seemed to do which was my point
      - renewiltord 5y ago
        Ohhhh. I see now what you meant.
      - praptak 5y ago
        Depends on the cert. If the cert is issued to "Kancelaria Prezesa Rady Ministrów" I am pretty sure the site belongs to the Polish government.
        weird-eye-issue 5y ago
        Are you sure about that? What if I create an LLC in Florida with that name?
  - stavros 5y ago
    They aren't doubting that the people who set up CloudFlare didn't own the domain, they're saying the cert is anonymous.
    - weird-eye-issue 5y ago
- throw_m239339 5y ago
  The site is definitely legit and linked to the Ukrainian government. Now hopefully, the money will actually serve the intended goal and not land into some official's pockets... I'm just stating the facts of the region, nothing more. I would (and will) personally give money to NGO like the red cross or doctor without borders if they intend to intervene in Ukraine, rather than the military.
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praptak 5y ago

Anybody can confirm whether ukraine.ua is legit? Their SSL certificate is issued to sni.cloudflaressl.com, which says nothing about whoever owns ukraine.ua. I'd say this one looks a bit more legit: https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-sp...

crtasm 5y ago
FWIW, https://ukraine.ua/ https://ukraine.ua/ is linked from https://mfa.gov.ua/ https://mfa.gov.ua/ ("Офіційний сайт України" in the footer)
- app4soft 5y ago
  Correct. Site https://ukraine.ua/ https://ukraine.ua/ is official Ukraine promotion platform, created & managed by Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine. Site https://mfa.gov.ua/ https://mfa.gov.ua/ is official site of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine. Here some other related official links (due to Ukrainian gov sites are DDoS'ed periodically): - https://twitter.com/MFA_Ukraine https://twitter.com/MFA_Ukraine (Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine) - https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba (Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine) - https://twitter.com/DefenceU https://twitter.com/DefenceU (Ministry of Defense of Ukraine)
exikyut 5y ago
Googling the IBAN (UA458201720313281002302018611) finds search results [1] from sites including treasury.gov.ua [2], mil.gov.ua [3] and 24tv.ua [4]. I currently see only 23 results for the IBAN code, but I blame this on the newness/novelty of the information and a suspicion that Google's keyword indexing engine doesn't particularly like rare/unique terms (both when parsing queries and tokenizing page content). Googling the USREOU [4] code (00034022) leads me to discover [5] that this code maps into an open-data public register that several search/scrape services [6,7,8,9,10] identify (with the help of Google Translate) as the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense. A cursory examination suggests that all of these services seem to 100% corroborate each other. The MFI (820172) is a very simple/common query/construction that returns junk/irrelevant results without further context. I wondered if this number being incorrect would cause a transaction to irreversibly "commit" but not go to the correct destination (or anywhere), so I tried to understand its significance. It's a Monetary Financial Institution code [11], part of a European banking standard that Ukraine participated in until it very recently switched to IBAN in 2020 (!) [12]. Critically, while the format of an IBAN (International Bank Account Number) seems (my speculation!) to be up to the implementer to format (seemingly within some loose guidelines... again, speculation), the way Ukraine is doing it is they are embedding the MFI code into the IBAN: UA45𝟴𝟮𝟬𝟭𝟳𝟮313…. Thus the MFI is provided by the MOD likely for bureaucracy purposes, and if it is needed at all it is encoded redundantly into the IBAN in any case. Yay. **Disclaimer**: I encourage challenging and fact-checking the rationale presented here before proceeding. (The registry information [6..10] is honestly mildly interesting.) Thankyou for coming to my Wikipedia comment (this was fun!), dodge the citations as you go past :P [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=UA458201720313281002302018611 https://www.google.com/search?q=UA45820172031328100230201861... [2] https://www.treasury.gov.ua/ua/dopomoga-na-materialno-tehnichne-ta-medichne-zabezpechennya-zbrojnih-sil-ukrayini https://www.treasury.gov.ua/ua/dopomoga-na-materialno-tehnic... [3] https://www.mil.gov.ua/dopomoga-na-materialno-tehnichne-ta-medichne-zabezpechennya-zbrojnih-sil-ukraini.html https://www.mil.gov.ua/dopomoga-na-materialno-tehnichne-ta-m... [4] https://24tv.ua/ru/finansovo-podderzhat-ukrainskuju-armiju-oficialnye-scheta_n1877181 https://24tv.ua/ru/finansovo-podderzhat-ukrainskuju-armiju-o..., https://24tv.ua/mzs-otrimalo-bagato-zvernen-za-kordonu-shhodo-finansovoyi-dopomogti_n1877055 https://24tv.ua/mzs-otrimalo-bagato-zvernen-za-kordonu-shhod... [4] https://www.allacronyms.com/USREOU https://www.allacronyms.com/USREOU - "Unified State Register of Enterprises and Organizations of Ukraine" [5] https://www.google.com/search?q=00034022 https://www.google.com/search?q=00034022 [6] https://youcontrol.com.ua/en/catalog/company_details/00034022/ https://youcontrol.com.ua/en/catalog/company_details/0003402... [7] https://opendatabot.ua/c/00034022 https://opendatabot.ua/c/00034022 [8] https://dozorro.org/profile/UA-EDR-00034022/5/role1 https://dozorro.org/profile/UA-EDR-00034022/5/role1 [9] https://clarity-project.info/tenderer/00034022 https://clarity-project.info/tenderer/00034022 [10] https://izi.trade/tenders/companies/00034022 https://izi.trade/tenders/companies/00034022 [11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_Financial_Institutions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_Financial_Institution... [12] https://about.pumb.ua/en/info/iban https://about.pumb.ua/en/info/iban [13] https://bank.com.ua/en/news/zaprovadzhennya-mizhnarodnogo-nomera-bankivskogo-rahunku-iban https://bank.com.ua/en/news/zaprovadzhennya-mizhnarodnogo-no... [14] https://www.iban.com/banks/privatbank https://www.iban.com/banks/privatbank [15] https://en.privatbank.ua/iban https://en.privatbank.ua/iban
weird-eye-issue 5y ago
Well how do you think they got Cloudflare to issue a cert on their behalf? By proving ownership of the domain...
- renewiltord 5y ago
  Oh, hang on. Let me get the SSL certificate for “definitelyukrainegovernment.com”. Then you can donate money to the Ukraine gov on that site too.
  - weird-eye-issue 5y ago
    Well I wouldn't judge the authenticity of a site based on the SSL cert which the OP seemed to do which was my point
    - renewiltord 5y ago
      Ohhhh. I see now what you meant.
    - praptak 5y ago
      Depends on the cert. If the cert is issued to "Kancelaria Prezesa Rady Ministrów" I am pretty sure the site belongs to the Polish government.
      - weird-eye-issue 5y ago
        Are you sure about that? What if I create an LLC in Florida with that name?
- stavros 5y ago
  They aren't doubting that the people who set up CloudFlare didn't own the domain, they're saying the cert is anonymous.
  - weird-eye-issue 5y ago
throw_m239339 5y ago
The site is definitely legit and linked to the Ukrainian government. Now hopefully, the money will actually serve the intended goal and not land into some official's pockets... I'm just stating the facts of the region, nothing more. I would (and will) personally give money to NGO like the red cross or doctor without borders if they intend to intervene in Ukraine, rather than the military.

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