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> It is majority Russian because Stalin deported the vast majority of Crimean Tatars because many of their men fought against USSR in WW2. IMHO, you are talkin

by drran 5y ago

> It is majority Russian because Stalin deported the vast majority of Crimean Tatars because many of their men fought against USSR in WW2. IMHO, you are talking about Crimean Goths. They are speaking German dialect, so they were used by Germans as translators. Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars, Greeks, Italians, are killed or deported just because their land was promised to soviet officers. Anyway, number of Crimean Goths participated with Germans (140) is minuscule in comparison to Russian Liberation Army (ROA) AKA Vlasov Army (3 millions). By your logic, all Russians must be punished for ROA crimes. BTW, they wear ROA flag even today.

EGreg 5y ago
I think the Vlasov army was totally killed. USSR was brutal. World War 2 was extremely brutal - they lost 30 million people Anyway it is all war crimes, I totally agree ! I don’t know if it is “just” because Russian officers wanted their land. They already could get land through crooked courts easily. USSR was pissed at how rabidly some Ukrainians and others killed people when they sided with the Nazis. I am Jewish and two sisters of my grandma were brutally killed by Ukrainians (not Germans) while being under 10 years old. One German wanted to quietly save them but the Ukrainians wouldn’t let him. People want independence and appeal to have their rights, but during war time they can often abuse weaker people too a lot. As far as Tatars read the last two paragraphs here: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/krimchaks https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/krimchaks
- drran 5y ago
  > I think the Vlasov army was totally killed. Yes, but most Russians are still not punished for their crimes like Crimean Goths. Moreover, they openly wear fascists symbol: ROA flag, and Russian Eagle is surprisingly similar to German Eagle. > USSR was brutal. World War 2 was extremely brutal - they lost 30 million people USSR lost 12 millions in WWWII, fighting Poland with Germany (1939), Finnish, and Germany with England and US. Losses are raised to 42 millions to hide 30 millions Ukrainians killed during Holodomor (7 million adults and 23 million children). RF accepted number (02.04.2008) is 7 millions only, but they are still hiding them in WWWII losses. > USSR was pissed at how rabidly some Ukrainians and others killed people when they sided with the Nazis. Guess what? If you kill millions of Ukrainians, they remember that for a long time. Anyway, Berlin was taken by First Ukrainian front and Second Ukrainian front. No Russian army was involved in the taking of Berlin, because Russian Liberation Army (ROA) was on Nazi side.
  - EGreg 5y ago
    I know for a fact that my grandfather was with the troops that took Berlin. He was with the Russian battalions, he grew up in St Petersburg (USSR took his family’s house and everything earlier during the civil war, they came to live in the city)

by drran 5y ago

EGreg 5y ago

I think the Vlasov army was totally killed. USSR was brutal. World War 2 was extremely brutal - they lost 30 million people Anyway it is all war crimes, I totally agree ! I don’t know if it is “just” because Russian officers wanted their land. They already could get land through crooked courts easily. USSR was pissed at how rabidly some Ukrainians and others killed people when they sided with the Nazis. I am Jewish and two sisters of my grandma were brutally killed by Ukrainians (not Germans) while being under 10 years old. One German wanted to quietly save them but the Ukrainians wouldn’t let him. People want independence and appeal to have their rights, but during war time they can often abuse weaker people too a lot. As far as Tatars read the last two paragraphs here: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/krimchaks https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/krimchaks

drran 5y ago
> I think the Vlasov army was totally killed. Yes, but most Russians are still not punished for their crimes like Crimean Goths. Moreover, they openly wear fascists symbol: ROA flag, and Russian Eagle is surprisingly similar to German Eagle. > USSR was brutal. World War 2 was extremely brutal - they lost 30 million people USSR lost 12 millions in WWWII, fighting Poland with Germany (1939), Finnish, and Germany with England and US. Losses are raised to 42 millions to hide 30 millions Ukrainians killed during Holodomor (7 million adults and 23 million children). RF accepted number (02.04.2008) is 7 millions only, but they are still hiding them in WWWII losses. > USSR was pissed at how rabidly some Ukrainians and others killed people when they sided with the Nazis. Guess what? If you kill millions of Ukrainians, they remember that for a long time. Anyway, Berlin was taken by First Ukrainian front and Second Ukrainian front. No Russian army was involved in the taking of Berlin, because Russian Liberation Army (ROA) was on Nazi side.
- EGreg 5y ago
  I know for a fact that my grandfather was with the troops that took Berlin. He was with the Russian battalions, he grew up in St Petersburg (USSR took his family’s house and everything earlier during the civil war, they came to live in the city)