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You are incorrect on so many levels - I have no idea where to begin. Ukraine is a sovereign state independent from russia. russia dreams about soviet union com
by trymas 5y ago
You are incorrect on so many levels - I have no idea where to begin.
Ukraine is a sovereign state independent from russia. russia dreams about soviet union comeback. Some countries are out of reach now, e.g. Baltic states which became EU and NATO members.
After russians being assholes to their neighbours for decades (if not centuries) - some neighbours decided that it's time to leave abusive relationship.
To russia Ukraine is integral only for couple of things - land buffer from the west influence, land bridge to the black sea (Crimea).
Ukrainians see how russia abuses them (e.g. frequent embargoes or price jumps for gas, and other tightly coupled economical relations they are not allowed to escape) and attempts to leave this. That's a deep blow to russia and their maniac dictator cannot allow this. F
For ages - instead of russia attempting to build proper strong and attractive economy are using force on their small neighbours. I think every single neighbor of russia (or russian empire or soviet union) was either at war or occupied in previous 100 or 200 years. Neighbouring nations (the people, not the politicians or greedy oligarchs) are attempting to flee russian influence zone, due to constant economic pressure and imminent danger. russia now attempts to paint this as "NATO expansion" or "US imperialism", but they are just old-school bully.
- verisimi 5y agoHmm.. I think you're stuck in the idea that there are good and bad actors, that this stuff isn't propaganda, that it's not just about power, all of it bad... I'm sure if you're in Russia the exact opposite arguments are being made, and make sense to their citizens. My point really is that - to an outsider with no dog in the race - if you take a long view, it seems equivalent to the US civil war. What you just said, couldn't you equate Russia/Ukraine to US/southern states?
- trymas 5y agoyour comparison is just wrong. Ukraine is an independent sovereign nation _de facto_ and _de jure_, recognized by probably every single country in the world including the aggressor russia to. Why you thing I have "a dog in this race"? It's just old-school war, russia does not know how to use it's soft diplomatic power. It's threats all the time, and when Ukraine does not give up on idea to westernise for at least 8 years - russia treat is a threat - thus they invade. If I'd compare - I'd compare it to Winter War. When WW2 started - they saw that Finland is too close to St.Peterbug for russias comfort - thus they started the war. Same here - Ukraine wants to free themselves from post-soviet economy and modernise to western model, it's a threat to putin - because then the "western" economical and political borders will be too close for his comfort.
- verisimi 5y agoI guess Russia is just an unprincipled undiplomatic, evil-doing, rogue country. Thank God not all nations are like that!!