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> Opinion on life during communism is very much a mixed bag. Depends who you ask. I don't know why people keep painting Romanian communism as a black&white kind

by dvt 5y ago

> Opinion on life during communism is very much a mixed bag. Depends who you ask. I don't know why people keep painting Romanian communism as a black&white kind of issue. Unless you were in the Communist Party, everyone hated the Ceausescu regime and it's absolutely NOT a mixed bag. I was born in 86, my sister in 90, and both of my parents fought in the Romanian revolution in Timisoara. I still remember yelling "Jos cu Ceausescu" and my parents telling me to be quiet; I also remember having to hide in our tiny apartment, and bullets flying outside; I was around 4 or 5. We're Christian, and my dad was interrogated by the Romanian Communist Secret Police many times (he was trafficking Bibles), and was also threatened with my murder and my (at the time pregnant) mom's murder. Putin is an extension of that same old Communist cancer that the Russian people need to excise. I have dual citizenship, and if the Russians stepped foot on Romanian soil, I would gladly pick up arms. And stop with the revisionist garbage, people literally died.

mhitza 5y ago
I think you're not taking into account certain kind of citizens. Those that are just happy to live their life, not to maximize individual freedom and liberty, but to have security and a close family relationships. During communism they had the safety of a job, and housing. The basic premise of a living condition. Just like some might one day hope adoption of something like UBI could do. Now we have village life slowly "going extinct". Back then you could continue to live in villages because of mandatory cooperatives, there was always work available. There was stability. When communism fell, those citizens were left to their own devices. It gave them maximal individual freedom, but no the same state-level safety nets. The population that just wants to live their family life regardless of politics, and those that lost their safety is reflective in voting preference, and also in the low parliamentary vote turnout (31.02% of voters). I was born in the late 80s like you, but we're still 90s kids. My father had his own run-ins with the state security police, and everyone was happy for the fell of communism for a very brief moment of time. Maybe you were well of in the 90s but most of the population really struggled with economical change and poverty. It was less about communism-era scarcity and more about the month to month livelihood. Instead of just stating things unilaterally in a certain light, I would ask you to allow yourself the time to listen to the ordinary people that are living worse of now than during communism. This mixed feeling about the fall of communism is very well illustrated in Recorder's documentary (30 years of democracy). Documentary that also touches upon my original point where Romania joined NATO with the ultimate goal of joining EU due to disastrous economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUbN6DXJwFg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUbN6DXJwFg (english subs are also available for anyone else interested) Respect to your parents actively fighting during the revolution.
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- jacquesm 5y ago
  > Respect to your parents actively fighting during the revolution. Is incompatible with the rest of your comment.
fellellor 5y ago
Communism in civilised countries results in their criminalisation and collapse of the rule of law. To such an extent that even long after the communists are gone, the state of criminalisation persists. A poor undeveloped state like Pakistan or India may also not have much by the way of rule of law, but at least the rulers don’t have the sophisticated bureaucratic tools in place to enact widespread oppression of people either. Some anarchy is desirable when most of your leaders are selfish despots.

by dvt 5y ago

mhitza 5y ago

I think you're not taking into account certain kind of citizens. Those that are just happy to live their life, not to maximize individual freedom and liberty, but to have security and a close family relationships. During communism they had the safety of a job, and housing. The basic premise of a living condition. Just like some might one day hope adoption of something like UBI could do. Now we have village life slowly "going extinct". Back then you could continue to live in villages because of mandatory cooperatives, there was always work available. There was stability. When communism fell, those citizens were left to their own devices. It gave them maximal individual freedom, but no the same state-level safety nets. The population that just wants to live their family life regardless of politics, and those that lost their safety is reflective in voting preference, and also in the low parliamentary vote turnout (31.02% of voters). I was born in the late 80s like you, but we're still 90s kids. My father had his own run-ins with the state security police, and everyone was happy for the fell of communism for a very brief moment of time. Maybe you were well of in the 90s but most of the population really struggled with economical change and poverty. It was less about communism-era scarcity and more about the month to month livelihood. Instead of just stating things unilaterally in a certain light, I would ask you to allow yourself the time to listen to the ordinary people that are living worse of now than during communism. This mixed feeling about the fall of communism is very well illustrated in Recorder's documentary (30 years of democracy). Documentary that also touches upon my original point where Romania joined NATO with the ultimate goal of joining EU due to disastrous economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUbN6DXJwFg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUbN6DXJwFg (english subs are also available for anyone else interested) Respect to your parents actively fighting during the revolution.

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jacquesm 5y ago
> Respect to your parents actively fighting during the revolution. Is incompatible with the rest of your comment.

fellellor 5y ago

Communism in civilised countries results in their criminalisation and collapse of the rule of law. To such an extent that even long after the communists are gone, the state of criminalisation persists. A poor undeveloped state like Pakistan or India may also not have much by the way of rule of law, but at least the rulers don’t have the sophisticated bureaucratic tools in place to enact widespread oppression of people either. Some anarchy is desirable when most of your leaders are selfish despots.